School shooting: but don't mention guns!

[fuelair]

OOps, it's brother was killed. It's father is somewhere else (divorce apparently) and apparently un-killed.

 

[scarlettinlondon]

"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military." - William Burroughs

I don't consider WB to be an authority on this subject

 

[Delscottio]

I don't consider WB to be an authority on this subject

It's also inaccurate for the vast majority of societies on earth - including the UK.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

OOps, it's brother was killed. It's father is somewhere else (divorce apparently) and apparently un-killed.

And the girlfriend is missing? But I wonder how they classify "missing"? At any point in time most days, I'm "missing" to everyone who doesn't know where I am.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't consider WB to be an authority on this subject

I'm quoting him because his words convey the message compactly and effectively, not because he's an authority. If you have any objection to the substance of the quote, feel free to offer them.

 

[scarlettinlondon]

I'd say the central problem isn't that guns are available but that help for mental illness isn't. Not easily, anyway, and not cheaply. "Crazy person slaughters fifty with axe!" headline says to me "fix the crazies" not "destroy the axes".

hmmm
to me it says disarm the fool. Then we'll talk about his early childhood issues with his mother

 

[scarlettinlondon]

I'm quoting him because his words convey the message compactly and effectively, not because he's an authority. If you have any objection to the substance of the quote, feel free to offer them.

No objection to hearing his views.

I would differ. I would prefer to live in a country where only the police and the military have guns that one where everyone, including the crazies have access to guns

 

[AdMan]

I don't consider WB to be an authority on this subject

He's a particularly poor choice to quote on the subject.

 

[TragicMonkey]

hmmm
to me it says disarm the fool. Then we'll talk about his early childhood issues with his mother

So, let's wait until crazy people get actively murderous before supplying any treatment. Sounds cost effective!

 

[Ben Adams]

This person was deranged he is not normal he is dangerous and I can assure you that there are going to be people who come forward and say this person was THIS or THAT. You dont wake up and do something like this, it takes time and hardship to arrive at deciding that is the right thing to do. People around you know something isn't right. There is much that be done to stop this from happening as much as it does, which by the way, ISNT MUCH...

 

[fuelair]

Or if as a society we treated guns as more of a responsibility and less of right. If we could just admit that guns do kill people.

I freely state, agree with and acknowledge the following as facts which I do not recall ever in any previous post or thought disagreeing with:

1. Guns can and do kill people (with gigantic and necessary help from the person pulling their trigger).

2. Guns are a responsibility - a great and important one.

3. Guns are a right (see US Constitution for clarification as needed).

.

 

[Biscuit]

I want to say this.

It is my view that gun ownership for civilians is AT LEAST partially responsible for this tragedy.

Any country that allows gun ownership for civilians is being wilfully blind to their part of the blame

English people feel no less free for not being allowed to carry/own guns

We don't have the freedom to carry guns

We don't have the freedom to fear this kind of tragedy

We don't have to train our children in schools what to do if there is a gunman in the building.

Ban guns. You won't regret it

You had me up until the last line. I don't want to ban guns.

It tough to explain my relationship with fire arms - It's one of deep reverence. I don't think most gun owners in america take it seriously and instead they look at their guns as toys and say stupid things like "Guns don't kill people!" If I have one hot button that really sets me off its gun owners that say that - especially in the wake of an event like this. At all cost defend the weapons! Won't somebody please think of the weapons!

 

[LashL]

Meanwhile, the fellow whose face and Facebook photo are being plastered all over the Internet as the shooter is saying it wasn't him, and obviously it cannot be him if he's alive and updating his Facebook page (although I have read that the page has since been taken down).

http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-this-connecticut-school-shooter-ryan-lanzas-facebook/

Man, I'd hate to have a common name at a time like this.

 

[LTC8K6]

hmmm
to me it says disarm the fool. Then we'll talk about his early childhood issues with his mother

Sure, but why disarm me in the process?

 

[Ben Adams]

Interesting use of the language. Are you unfamiliar with what "few" means

Of course I do, and with over 350,000,000 people, 500 is a FEW..........

 

[Ziggurat]

It's also inaccurate for the vast majority of societies on earth - including the UK.

But it is an accurate description of what scarlettinlondon wants, and what I responded to:

Ban guns. You won't regret it

 

[jj]

I'm still not sure if you're being sincere or are parodying arguments.

He's just raising Cain.

 

[Biscuit]

I freely state, agree with and acknowledge the following as facts which I do not recall ever in any previous post or thought disagreeing with:

1. Guns can and do kill people (with gigantic and necessary help from the person pulling their trigger).

2. Guns are a responsibility - a great and important one.

3. Guns are a right (see US Constitution for clarification as needed).

.

I think you have stated those in the appropriate order of importance from greatest to least.

 

[Delscottio]

Meanwhile, the fellow whose face and Facebook photo are being plastered all over the Internet as the shooter is saying it wasn't him, and obviously it cannot be him if he's alive and updating his Facebook page as shown.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-this-connecticut-school-shooter-ryan-lanzas-facebook/

Man, I'd hate to have a common name at a time like this.

Nice of them to plaster the photo a few more times! Poor bugger.

 

[scarlettinlondon]

So, let's wait until crazy people get actively murderous before supplying any treatment. Sounds cost effective!

Not at all.

Treatment should be available to those who need it.

Guns should not be freely available to those who want them.

If this fool had had a knife rather than a gun there would have been many more survivors