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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

Rolfe said:
You know, I'd have thought that by now people on this forum were accustomed enough to your style of black irony to understand this post, but apparently not.

Rolfe.
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The problem is, the gun nuts here use the exact same arguments with sincerity.
 
Sabretooth said:
I am pro-gun as well. However, actions such as this...where a man walks into a KIDS school and starts firing away...it isn't about the guns.

This guy wanted to go out in a demon-blaze and you'd be hard pressed to make me believe he wouldn't have found another weapon(s) to make sure it happened.
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I have a hard time believing this guy would've killed people if he didn't have access to guns.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I did too. Ryan Lanza. I guess it's too late to send a friend request.

He's like the 3rd one down if you search that name. Says his hometown is Newtown CT.
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Not any more. Many dopplegangers or whatever you call them already sprung up. The one reply post that's accessible:


Jonathan Russell "Look like you're about to buy an Ale, but then paint a picture of it... very mixed... all good, though. Kinda like if Solid Snake was wearing a Neo trenchcoat. This can only turn out awesome."​

His pic has now been shared 14,133 times.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The problem is, the gun nuts here use the exact same arguments with sincerity.
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Yes. That's why he does it. It's always perfectly clear if you read for comprehension. (And I speak as one who was utterly suckered by a very similar post of his in one of the Lockerbie threads and then had to come back and apologise for my rant.)

Rolfe.
 
Some crazy guy went on a shooting spree local to my area at a mall 2 days ago. Only 3 people were shot, 2 died. But guns aren't the problem, guns are innocent, like bunnies.
 
Quad4_72 said:
I just don't know the answer to this type of tragedy. Do you ban guns completely, and punish the 50 million or so responsible gun owners out there because of the horrific actions of a few people? Do you make guns much harder to obtain because .01% of the gun population does the wrong thing? I don't think any of those things is the right answer, but I am not sure what is.
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Well, that's what we did after Dunblane. Even though guns were already much more difficult to obtain here at that time than they are in the USA.

It's hard to know for sure how much effect that has had, given the rarity of this sort of occurrence, but it's been over 16 years and it hasn't happened again - not in a school, to children.

Rolfe.
 
Cain said:
It puzzles me why anyone would read story after story on this or watch continuous updates on the news. A bunch of kids were slaughtered. Some deranged ******* did it. Why invite that kind of darkness into your heart?
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I follow national news headlines pretty constantly.

I don't think staying informed about our country is the same thing as inviting darkness into my heart.

Is it noble to avoid bad news?
 
Rolfe said:
Well, that's what we did after Dunblane. Even though guns were already much more difficult to obtain here at that time than they are in the USA.

It's hard to know for sure how much effect that has had, given the rarity of this sort of occurrence, but it's been over 16 years and it hasn't happened again - not in a school, to children.

Rolfe.
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You don't have guys going on stabbing sprees in crowded areas?
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I did too. Ryan Lanza. I guess it's too late to send a friend request.

He's like the 3rd one down if you search that name. Says his hometown is Newtown CT.
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I tried to click the "retroactively smite" button and discovered there still isn't one, despite my repeated troubletickets to the facebook tech support team.
 
Rolfe said:
Well, that's what we did after Dunblane. Even though guns were already much more difficult to obtain here at that time than they are in the USA.

It's hard to know for sure how much effect that has had, given the rarity of this sort of occurrence, but it's been over 16 years and it hasn't happened again - not in a school, to children.

Rolfe.
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Dunblane itself was ten years or so after Michael Ryan. It was after Ryan that most automatics were banned.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I follow national news headlines pretty constantly.

I don't think staying informed about our country is the same thing as inviting darkness into my heart.

Is it noble to avoid bad news?
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I mean obsessing over details, especially when these early reports are invariably inaccurate. It's not making anyone more informed about anything than listening to my "friend" Amy drone on about how "this one Starbucks" messes up her order. These follow a familiar pattern: everyone wants to see a picture of the killer, the face of evil. They want to know why he did it. Then biographies of the victims pour in "Aidan, 5, though his mom says he'd insist he was "five and a half," loved to run and wanted to one day become a police officer." Then Obama, the griever-in-chief, will come in, meet with the families privately, and give a speech at the school gym. A year later we'll see retrospectives about how the community is coping and it will all be very public.
 
I want to say this.

It is my view that gun ownership for civilians is AT LEAST partially responsible for this tragedy.

Any country that allows gun ownership for civilians is being wilfully blind to their part of the blame

English people feel no less free for not being allowed to carry/own guns

We don't have the freedom to carry guns

We don't have the freedom to fear this kind of tragedy

We don't have to train our children in schools what to do if there is a gunman in the building.

Ban guns. You won't regret it
 
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