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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

In his emotional address, President Obama implied that something will need to be done on gun control, "regardless of the politics."
 
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"We are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to stop more incidents like these, regardless of the politics."

Please do. Please.
 
On one of the Dawkins posts' comments on this subject, someone asked a pertinent question:

(Paraphrasing) How do mentally ill people still have legal access to firearms? Wouldn't it make sense to have some kind of alarm bell that went off when someone who is on doctor-prescribed mood- or brain chemistry-altering medication was attempting to purchase a weapon?
 
I'd say the central problem isn't that guns are available but that help for mental illness isn't. Not easily, anyway, and not cheaply. "Crazy person slaughters fifty with axe!" headline says to me "fix the crazies" not "destroy the axes".
 
LTC8K6 said:
They will always find a way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
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Which explains why we've had so many more bombings than shootings. This stuff is just so unbelievably dumb. Guns facilitate murder. If I recall correctly, the Columbine kids had pipe bombs... which killed no one. James Holmes' bomb killed approximately zero point zero people. Bombs are lot more difficult than guns. I'm reasonably confident that armed with a gun, I could kill or injure at least one person. Trying to make a bomb, I'd probably kill or injure myself. And then I'd have to move it, plant it, time it, and hope everything goes according to plan.

People are dumb. Especially criminals. It's impossible to stop violence, but we can create obstacles. In the case of bombs, we don't allow people to sell them on the open market. You can't go to the bomb store, and buy a competently made explosive disguised as a jewelry box.
 
scarlettinlondon said:
Ban guns. You won't regret it
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"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military." - William Burroughs
 
TragicMonkey said:
I'd say the central problem isn't that guns are available but that help for mental illness isn't. Not easily, anyway, and not cheaply. "Crazy person slaughters fifty with axe!" headline says to me "fix the crazies" not "destroy the axes".
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Lizzie Borden thanks you. :D
 
The thing I'm having a hard time with are all the requests for prayers. They're literally plastered all over my facebook wall. I want so badly to just grab these people and remind them that IF there was a God, and IF he was all-powerful, this :rule10: stain would have been plastered on a 5th of Jack Daniels and he would have driven himself into a tree on the way to his shooting spree.

FFS. AAAARRGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I can't go there though. Their grief is real and their need to believe is too great. So I sit here and stew silently, waiting for 5PM so I can grab my own taste of Jack when i go home.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I'd say the central problem isn't that guns are available but that help for mental illness isn't. Not easily, anyway, and not cheaply. "Crazy person slaughters fifty with axe!" headline says to me "fix the crazies" not "destroy the axes".
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This ^^.
 
If I had a dime for every person in America that got pissed enough at someone over the last month to want to kill them, I would be a rich man.

And a homeless one for every person that actually did it.

You people think so much of yourself and the sanctity of the human experience.

Oh 25 people oh no it's a tragedy lets take everybody guns THAT will fix it!

Too bad you cant fix the 10,000,000 people in Africa who are dead from aids because the pope doesn't like condoms....

Get a grip on yourselves, Jesus Christ.........
It aint the end of the world YET..............

You people should be PROUD that so many people own guns in this country and we STILL only have THIS FEW of incidents like this.
 
Cain said:
Which explains why we've had so many more bombings than shootings. This stuff is just so unbelievably dumb. Guns facilitate murder. If I recall correctly, the Columbine kids had pipe bombs... which killed no one. James Holmes' bomb killed approximately zero point zero people. Bombs are lot more difficult than guns. I'm reasonably confident that armed with a gun, I could kill or injure at least one person. Trying to make a bomb, I'd probably kill or injure myself. And then I'd have to move it, plant it, time it, and hope everything goes according to plan.

People are dumb. Especially criminals. It's impossible to stop violence, but we can create obstacles. In the case of bombs, we don't allow people to sell them on the open market. You can't go to the bomb store, and buy a competently made explosive disguised as a jewelry box.
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We can get guns. If we couldn't get guns...

We can buy blackpowder by the pound... among other items...
 
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thaiboxerken said:
I have a hard time believing this guy would've killed people if he didn't have access to guns.
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Or if as a society we treated guns as more of a responsibility and less of right. If we could just admit that guns do kill people.
 
You people should be PROUD that so many people own guns in this country and we STILL only have THIS FEW of incidents like this.
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Interesting use of the language. Are you unfamiliar with what "few" means?
 
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