School shooting: but don't mention guns!

[Noztradamus]

In the United States, we don't control who can own a car, only who can drive one in public and the rules of the road. The equivalent regulation would seem to be a concealed carry license or a hunting license.

What about also banning the manufacture and sale of new automatic cars?

 

[Hungry81]

What about also banning the manufacture and sale of new automatic cars?

Wow guns are not cars. You should discuss this interesting point in a new thread. I'm all for road safety and competent driving so I think regulation of cars is important. A number of countries have been quite successful at reducing road and traffic fatalities through intelligent regulation but that's not what this thread is about.

 

[rwguinn]

Wow guns are not cars. You should discuss this interesting point in a new thread. I'm all for road safety and competent driving so I think regulation of cars is important. A number of countries have been quite successful at reducing road and traffic fatalities through intelligent regulation but that's not what this thread is about.

Look-
There are a number of people who think a reasonable thing is to charge and punish firearms owners who, through no fault of their own, have their firearms stolen and used illegally.
It is therefore within the rules of logic to point out that cars/trucks/motorcycles can also be stolen and used illegally.
Hell-if I lend my best buddy my car for a few days, and he does something illegal with it, I still don't get charged and jailed.

 

[Multivac]

I really doubt that interest in guns in the UK is considered strange, given it's rich history of wonderful gunmaking, which continues today.

Then you are mistaken, as gun ownership and an interest in guns are generally seen as strange in the UK.

 

[Multivac]

Yes. Read the thread. Your comment was untrue. And it is, of course, more support for the notion that people from the UK simply do not have the ability to be honest when discussing gun issues.

Why would you make such a bizarre claim? Obviously I cannot speak for other posters, but I have expressed my views honestly.

 

[Multivac]

Sorry?

None of the UK posters have been dishonest in this thread.

As far as the discussion about the NRA and gun control, the worship of the second amendment means that a lot of the US pro-gun posters seem to be unable to see that being in favour of the status quo, the NRA *is* in effect anti gun control, as well as having previously successfully lobbied to neuter several current gun-control legislation, and indeed to prevent the federal organisation tasked with researching morbidity and mortality from actually researching gun injuries and killings.

 

[Nessie]

Then you are mistaken, as gun ownership and an interest in guns are generally seen as strange in the UK.

That tends to be a city view. In the countryside guns are seen as tools to deal with vermin or for hunting, where we get all our venison and game from a gun is not seen as strange at all. Indeed gun owners are by the very fact that they have a gun are amongst the most responsible, level headed and decent members of the community.

 

[zooterkin]

That tends to be a city view. In the countryside guns are seen as tools to deal with vermin or for hunting, where we get all our venison and game from a gun is not seen as strange at all. Indeed gun owners are by the very fact that they have a gun are amongst the most responsible, level headed and decent members of the community.

We already had this discussion. The point still stands; most people live in cities rather than the countryside, and even among country dwellers, an interest in guns per se, rather than as a tool to do a job, is likely to be looked at askance.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

We already had this discussion. The point still stands; most people live in cities rather than the countryside, and even among country dwellers, an interest in guns per se, rather than as a tool to do a job, is likely to be looked at askance.

Agreed, even the most metrocentric city dweller in the UK sees a farmer with a shotgun (for example) as someone with a task appropriate tool, most people wouldn't raise an eyebrow at sports shotguns or target target shooting, but when someone starts to talk about handguns or military style rifles, unless they're in the military of course, they start to move into Mike from 'Spaced' territory pretty quickly.

 

[Multivac]

Agreed, even the most metrocentric city dweller in the UK sees a farmer with a shotgun (for example) as someone with a task appropriate tool, most people wouldn't raise an eyebrow at sports shotguns or target target shooting, but when someone starts to talk about handguns or military style rifles, unless they're in the military of course, they start to move into Mike from 'Spaced' territory pretty quickly.

Exactly.