Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

[McHrozni]

No, my friend. That´s not the way things work in my country. If Capriles wins (which is very doubtful) the Chavists will overthrow Venezuela and turn it into a friggin´ Apocalypse. If anything, if Capriles is wise, he should shake in terror at the idea of winning. Additionally to what I said, the parties that support Capriles have contrasting interests. They only support Cariles because they all share one single interest which is defeating Chavez.... but once Capriles is in power, there will be a lot of internal struggle amongst these parties. If you thought my country was doing badly with Chavez, you don´t know the kind of hell that is going to unleash in Venezuela if Capriles wins. And this is because, this country, regardless of who´s President, is an anarchy. A jungle ruled by the people. People who live in extreme poverty. And the people want Chavez.

I never was one for fatalism. I agree that Chavista coup attempt seems a probable scenario, but such coups can also fail. Quickly, if the opposition to Chavez is strong enough, and certainly if the shock of defeat sends his health in tailspin.

I somehow doubt that Venezuela is ruled by the poorest of it's population. It may be held hostage by it, true, and it's also quite likely that Chavez will try to capitalize on it. It's also quite possible he will fail.

McHrozni

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

I never was one for fatalism. I agree that Chavista coup attempt seems a probable scenario, but such coups can also fail.

This is not some coup we´re talking about. We´re talking about total chaos. We´re talking about the people revealing itself against everything. When you think of Veneuela, try to imagine a classroom filled with the meanest, deadliest kids ever. A classroom where, regardless of who the teacher is, whenever the kids decide to rebel, there´s pretty much nothing that can be done to stop them. The only thing you could do is put a dictator (Not Chavez. A REAL dictator like Juan Vicente Gomez. The kind of guy who intimidated and gave nightmares to more than one)

I somehow doubt that Venezuela is ruled by the poorest of it's population.

This is not an issue of opinion. It´s a reality. About 80% of the population in my country lives in extreme poverty. And those are the people who put Chavez in power. Chavez is nothing but the reflection of the reality of my country. Which is why I find it comedic when Venezuelans complain about Chavez. They are merely complaining at the reality of their country, personified in one individual.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Ah, a self-hating Venezuelan.

May I ask about your family background, Ron? Upper middle-class? Feel free to not comment, of course. Just curious.

 

[applecorped]

ah, a self-hating venezuelan.

may i ask about your family background, ron? Upper middle-class? Feel free to not comment, of course. Just curious.

jacq

 

[Robrob]

Ah, a self-hating Venezuelan.

Is the supposed to make your insult less insulting? Or to explain why you, a (presumably) non-Venezuelan know more about life in Venezuelan than an actual Venezuelan?

 

[carlitos]

He's No True Venezuelan^TM, that's for sure.

 

[McHrozni]

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[McHrozni]

This is not some coup we´re talking about. We´re talking about total chaos. We´re talking about the people revealing itself against everything. When you think of Veneuela, try to imagine a classroom filled with the meanest, deadliest kids ever. A classroom where, regardless of who the teacher is, whenever the kids decide to rebel, there´s pretty much nothing that can be done to stop them. The only thing you could do is put a dictator (Not Chavez. A REAL dictator like Juan Vicente Gomez. The kind of guy who intimidated and gave nightmares to more than one)

Hm. Seems a bit cynical, and reminds me of Afghanistan. I hope you're wrong.

This is not an issue of opinion. It´s a reality. About 80% of the population in my country lives in extreme poverty. And those are the people who put Chavez in power. Chavez is nothing but the reflection of the reality of my country. Which is why I find it comedic when Venezuelans complain about Chavez. They are merely complaining at the reality of their country, personified in one individual.

Well, that would mean they're holding the country hostage. It may be more a matter of snematics than actual differance though. The 80% seems a tad high. I think it's in the 30-40% range, still very high. Official data, showing 23% poverty, is obviously bogus.

Out of interest, what is your solution for Venezuela? How could the country be fixed, assuming you can do literarily anything technologically fesiable?

McHrozni

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

Ah, a self-hating Venezuelan.

May I ask about your family background, Ron? Upper middle-class? Feel free to not comment, of course. Just curious.

Middle class is as close as it gets to define me.

I don't know about self-hating. Some may even wish to call me a traitor to my country, and I have no qualms with that. But I'm still not going to vote for a jackass just to please some people.

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

Well, that would mean they're holding the country hostage.

Well, call it as you wish. But that is that. It is, after all, a third world country.

It may be more a matter of snematics than actual differance though. The 80% seems a tad high.

No sir. When you've grown up and lived in Venezuela, you quickly become pretty aware it doesn't seem a bit high at all.

Out of interest, what is your solution for Venezuela? How could the country be fixed, assuming you can do literarily anything technologically fesiable?

Well, I never claimed to have a solution. And I don't. I only pointed out the problem and I know that choosing some tool as President just for the sake of getting Chavez out of the way is not the solution.

 

[Robrob]

I don't know about self-hating. Some may even wish to call me a traitor to my country, and I have no qualms with that. But I'm still not going to vote for a jackass just to please some people.

Especially someone who isn't from there, has never been there and still has the nerve to insult you about your nationality.

You're being a lot more polite about this than I would be.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Some may even wish to call me a traitor to my country, and I have no qualms with that.

That seems to be a common trait you share with many who post here.

 

[trustbutverify]

It's interesting that Uncle Hugo's most passionate forum admirers seem to be neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers, 9/11 truthers and people who think the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Middle class is as close as it gets to define me.

I don't know about self-hating. Some may even wish to call me a traitor to my country, and I have no qualms with that. But I'm still not going to vote for a jackass just to please some people.

Ah, thanks, as I expected, just testing if my appliance of marxist theory is still fit. I know you have a robust humour Ron so I thought you'd get the tongue-in-cheekiness of the "self-hating (joooo)" reference. You're of course free to not be part of a project you can't identify with and likely better off in NYC.

 

[McHrozni]

No sir. When you've grown up and lived in Venezuela, you quickly become pretty aware it doesn't seem a bit high at all.

Well, I don't know, but about half of Venezuelans have access to internet and own some sort of motorized transport. That doesn't seem like abject poverty to me. They can still be poor, but abject poverty means living on less than 1.25$/day. The figure for Buthan is around 25%, probably a bit less.

Well, I never claimed to have a solution. And I don't.

Give it a try What could sove Venezuelan problems?

McHrozni

 

[Clayton Moore]

It's interesting that Uncle Hugo's most passionate forum admirers seem to be neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers, 9/11 truthers and people who think the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

It's interesting that the huggers insinuate Nazi or Holocaust into every thread as if doing so was a badge of honor.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Well, I don't know, but about half of Venezuelans have access to internet and own some sort of motorized transport. That doesn't seem like abject poverty to me. They can still be poor, but abject poverty means living on less than 1.25$/day. The figure for Buthan is around 25%, probably a bit less.



Give it a try What could sove Venezuelan problems?

McHrozni

A link provided seem to say that Venezuela distributes its oil wealth to its citizens. Which is precisely what Libya was doing.

Is the distribution of oil wealth a problem?

 

[McHrozni]

A link provided seem to say that Venezuela distributes its oil wealth to its citizens. Which is precisely what Libya was doing.

Is the distribution of oil wealth a problem?

By itself, no. There are, however many ways of oil (or any other) wealth to be distributed that are problematic. Hugos way with, say, subsidized food clearly has just two aims - to destroy or damage retailers and to buy votes. That is very problematic.

It's similar to gun ownership. Owning a licenced gun isn't a problem, shooting at a practice target isn't a problem, but using it for armed robbery is a very big problem.

McHrozni

 

[Childlike Empress]

to buy votes

Yeah, bettering the life of the poor through transferring of wealth is labeled "buying votes" - a cynical and one of the more disgusting talking points used by the corporate media to sell the neoliberal capitalist ideology.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Combined grassroots media collectives from all over the country cover the events on their own TV station BarrioTV, also per livestream.