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Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, bettering the life of the poor through transferring of wealth is labeled "buying votes" - a cynical and one of the more disgusting talking points used by the corporate media to sell the neoliberal capitalist ideology.
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More cynical and disgusting that using the skyrocketing murder rate in Caracas as a bragging point in Chavez's favor?

Your feigned outrage is not persuasive.
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Middle class is as close as it gets to define me.

I don't know about self-hating. Some may even wish to call me a traitor to my country, and I have no qualms with that. But I'm still not going to vote for a jackass just to please some people.
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you seem to have a very pesimistic view on your country. But im pretty sure you know better what you talk about than any of us here.
 
DC said:
you seem to have a very pesimistic view on your country. But im pretty sure you know better what you talk about than any of us here.
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Changed your tune? ;)

Uncle Hugo will likely win and the apologists will treat it like a win for the Venezuelan people without even knowing or talking to any of them. They would rather claim they know better and sling mud at those who actually do.
 
McHrozni said:
Well, I don't know, but about half of Venezuelans have access to internet and own some sort of motorized transport. That doesn't seem like abject poverty to me. They can still be poor, but abject poverty means living on less than 1.25$/day. The figure for Buthan is around 25%, probably a bit less.
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I don´t know where you´re getting that information from, but regardless, I´m not speaking merely of economic poverty, but mental poverty. Education has a lot to do with it.

McHrozni said:
Give it a try :) What could sove Venezuelan problems?

McHrozni
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If there´s something that can solve its problems it is not a single "thing". It´s not some President with his usual stereotypical slogans for peace and democracy. If anything, the solution would be the result of a long process that pertained the issue of education. The mentality of the common Venezuelan needs to change radically. Perhaps a horrible natural tragedy that almost destroys the country and that brings people together... I don´t know....
 
funk de fino said:
Changed your tune? ;)

Uncle Hugo will likely win and the apologists will treat it like a win for the Venezuelan people without even knowing or talking to any of them. They would rather claim they know better and sling mud at those who actually do.
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well if the people of venezuela elect him, they get what they want and that is a win already.
 
DC said:
well if the people of venezuela elect him, they get what they want and that is a win already.
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seems they laready did. chavez 54.42% of the total votes against 44.97% for capriles. damn democracy wins again... why can't all democratic elections result on capitalism??? why...??? if only all people understood that is what they really want...
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
I don´t know where you´re getting that information from, but regardless, I´m not speaking merely of economic poverty, but mental poverty. Education has a lot to do with it.
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Well, THAT I can agree with :) I didn't know you were speaking about mental poverty :)

If there´s something that can solve its problems it is not a single "thing". It´s not some President with his usual stereotypical slogans for peace and democracy. If anything, the solution would be the result of a long process that pertained the issue of education. The mentality of the common Venezuelan needs to change radically. Perhaps a horrible natural tragedy that almost destroys the country and that brings people together... I don´t know....
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Given the current events it is possible Venezuela will turn the way California did when they recalled Davis for Governator. It's not as if the last years' spending spree can last for more than another couple of months. Then again, they could pull off what they just did again.

McHrozni
 
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mrgrouch said:
seems they laready did. chavez 54.42% of the total votes against 44.97% for capriles. damn democracy wins again... why can't all democratic elections result on capitalism??? why...??? if only all people understood that is what they really want...
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Yup, and I can't say I'm too surprised. Someone said that the result was predetermined, and it would be 56-44 for Chavez. Amazingly accurate prediction, all things considered. Especially once you consider the results of exit polls.
Isn't it amazing how every single time Hugo "wins", it's exit polls that are wrong, by more than the margin of error?

Well, Chavez perverted democracy (fraud or no) once again, and the show in Venezuela continues :) We'll see how happily his electorate will be after Q1 2013. :)

McHrozni
 
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Indeed. The people have elected the President they want.

I only feel sad for my friends (as most of them are against Chavez). They had put so much hope that they were going to knock Chavez down and now many of them will be depressed. That's the reason I didn't give them a hard time, despite the fact that some of them tried to give me guilt trips for not voting. But I don't expect their mentality to change.
 
mrgrouch said:
seems they laready did. chavez 54.42% of the total votes against 44.97% for capriles. damn democracy wins again... why can't all democratic elections result on capitalism??? why...??? if only all people understood that is what they really want...
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Another defeat for capitalism... but another victory for Twoofers and moon landing deniers!
 
Great day for democracy, everything peaceful and 80%(!) participation. Good on Capriles that he finally stated yesterday that he will accept the results, and did so after losing. Well, he better does as there will be two more national elections on state and local level in the coming months, where the opposition has better chances of advancing their influence here and there.

btw, a little pre-election study about the pollsters takes into account the recorded bias in their predictions from the elections of the past. That adjusts the average lead the polls showed from 11.7% to 13.7%. Didn't turn out that well, but a two digit lead was always the to be expected outcome.

It especially shows the horrible, laughable track record of the company Consultores 21 that was so widely cited in the corporate media to make it seem like a close race, while it was obvious, as outlined, that this was not the case. Miserable little pre$$titudes.

Consultores 21, the company McHrozni sold us as "serious" and "the only one to accurately predict the 2009 referendum and 2010 election results", is recorded with an average error of over 13 percentage points(!) against the Chavez government, so with their ~10 pp fail this time they did even better than usual.

Maybe McHrozni now feels like answering my question about where he got that from, otherwise we must assume that he just made it up himself.

Viva El Presidente! :cheerleader2

 
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Childlike Empress said:
Great day for democracy, everything peaceful and 80%(!) participation. Good on Capriles that he finally stated yesterday that he will accept the results, and did so after losing.
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I guess Chavez was fear mongering about an "opposition disruption plan" after all. It's a pity it worked, and certainly a very bad day for democracy. But if you understood such concepts you wouldn't support him at all, would you ;)

McHrozni
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Indeed. The people have elected the President they want.

I only feel sad for my friends (as most of them are against Chavez). They had put so much hope that they were going to knock Chavez down and now many of them will be depressed. That's the reason I didn't give them a hard time, despite the fact that some of them tried to give me guilt trips for not voting. But I don't expect their mentality to change.
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I am in a similar position with friends and colleagues.
 
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