Clayton Moore
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In the US states like Penna. enact laws to make it difficult for people to vote.
Send in the tanks! (Chavez)
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In the US states like Penna. enact laws to make it difficult for people to vote.
WildCat
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I think you'll find the voter ID laws much more stringent in Venezuela, you even need to submit a thumb print to the voting machine.
Clayton Moore
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That doesn't prevent you from voting, does it?
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So requiring an ID and a thumbprint doesn't prevent you from voting, but an ID card does?
How would you feel about thumbprint scanners on US voting machines Clayton?
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He can, in the way that a guy with an ace stuffed up his sleeve can still lose.
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Doubtful, most polls I've seen show a comfortable lead. However, if he did find himself in trouble, I wouldn't be surprised to see some questionable tactics from the great man.
I disagree with this. All polls, even openly Chavista ones, show Caprilles gaining ground rapidly in the past two months, and one serious pollster - Consultores 21, the only one to accurately predict the 2009 referendum and 2010 election results - put Caprilles 4.6 points ahead in the latest poll, conducted in late september and early october. That's almost twice the margain for error, between one and two weeks before the elections. There is no reason to believe the trend has since reversed. It probably accelerated, it got so bad for Hugo that he had to spend millions of dollars of public money for his final rally in Caracas, to bus in supporters from all over the country, plus force all public employees in Caracas to attend the rally. They aren't even hiding the abuse any more. The rally succeeded, but I imagine it was a very hollow victory indeed - if there were any undecided public employees in Caracas, there is little that can convince them to vote for opposition that is better than to force them to attend an event like this. In addition, Caprilles campaigned against government corruption, and this was a blatant theft.
Add in another factor, most polls who show Chavez ahead also show a relatively large number of undecided voters. Those went approximately 4:1 for opposition in the last two elections. Even more, in an earlier Consultores 21 poll in early september, they conducted the poll twice, once by asking and once by a secret ballot, simultaneously. The secret vote showed approximately 2% bias in favor of Caprilles. This was with same people, asked at the same time. We can quite safely assume that all polls are off by at least 1% (and probably significantly more) in favor of Chavez, simply because many people are afraid of revealing their prefference ahead of time.
All that said, I think Chavez will simply steal the election. Nothing can stop him from that
We'll see who's right on monday.
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Isn't that common in western democracies? Happens all the time in France anyway, for the major rallies.
Not that I have a lot of love for Chavez, mind you...
I would be pleased if he was defeated "fair & square" in the ballot. Considering he enjoys significant leverage in campaigning, it would really means something.
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You missed the part where it was done with public money, which came just before it. I suspect it would be a major scandal and a cause for immediate impeachment and prosecution in any Western democracy. In Chavista Venezuela (Cubuzuela), it's par for the course.
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Where did you get that from? Again, they are next to alone while scores of other polls show a two digit lead for Chavez. And they were totally wrong about the 2009 referendum, predicting 41.8 % approval when it passed with 54%. Already posted, but here again the polls from the different institutes a month ago and the latest - with UK academics writing an open letter to the UK media complaining that
For the record, the results of Chavez' three presidential election wins:
1998 56,2%
2000 59,8%
2006 62,9%
I wouldn't put it past him to beat himself again, given the huge crowd in Caracas and the fact that, as Ronald Denis put it, Capriles is "a total ass" (as in the animal). He has no chance in the world of winning this.
We'll see tomorrow.
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Ya know these people bad mouthing Chavez seem awfully familiar. CIA? It seems Latin America is just fine with him.
Well, given the billions he dishes out in lavish contracts, it's not too surprising. It's questionable if the current regimes in Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua could survive his demise. Fidels of Cuba would, most likely, but many others have an active corrupt financial interest in keeping Chavez where he is, at Venezuela's expense.
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No offense, but Capriles is nothing but a tool. The only reason people are excited about him is because he won and he is now the one who will fight the Presidential chair against Chavez.
In other words, the excitement people feel for him is the same kind of excitement American Republicans feel for Mitt Romney. He´s the only thing they have left after everyone else shot themselves in the foot. So they go like "Yeaah Mitt! Go Mitt!" because that´s all they have.
I don´t like nor care about Chavez, but Capriles isn´t any smarter.
I didn´t vote for any of these jackasses when I was in Venezuela and I sure as hell won´t do it now. As far as I´m concerned they can all go to hell.
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In other words, the excitement people feel for him is the same kind of excitement American Republicans feel for Mitt Romney. He´s the only thing they have left after everyone else shot themselves in the foot. So they go like "Yeaah Mitt! Go Mitt!" because that´s all they have.
I don´t like nor care about Chavez, but Capriles isn´t any smarter.
I didn´t vote for any of these jackasses when I was in Venezuela and I sure as hell won´t do it now. As far as I´m concerned they can all go to hell.
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Perhaps. But IF he wins and IF Chavez concedes, it will be the first time in history when a lefty autocrat was defeated in the ballot box instead of a violent revolution. That, in itself, would be a major achivement.
There is also the annoying matter of Venezuela-Iran alliance, support to FARC, support to other lefty autocrats in the region and so on. Whatever Caprilles does or doesn't do for Venezuela, just removing the presidency from Chavistas has significant positive implications for the region and the world.
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No, my friend. That´s not the way things work in my country. If Capriles wins (which is very doubtful) the Chavists will overthrow Venezuela and turn it into a friggin´ Apocalypse. If anything, if Capriles is wise, he should shake in terror at the idea of winning. Additionally to what I said, the parties that support Capriles have contrasting interests. They only support Cariles because they all share one single interest which is defeating Chavez.... but once Capriles is in power, there will be a lot of internal struggle amongst these parties. If you thought my country was doing badly with Chavez, you don´t know the kind of hell that is going to unleash in Venezuela if Capriles wins. And this is because, this country, regardless of who´s President, is an anarchy. A jungle ruled by the people. People who live in extreme poverty. And the people want Chavez.
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