iPhone 5

[Dcdrac]

Its jsut one more smart phone nothing worht worrying about.

 

[megaresp]

I suspect ultimately this is a tempest in a teapot, and will not dissuade any discernible number of people from buying an iphone 5.

Is 'one' a discernible number of people?

On seeing the specs for the iPhone 5 I decided to upgrade my 3Gs. Then I heard about the Apple Map problem and changed my mind.

I use Google Maps to find my way around London on a regular basis. Apple's decision to replace something awesome with something broken was a deal killer for me. I doubt I'm the only one.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Is 'one' a discernible number of people?

Yes, poor word choice on my part. Literally discernible, yes. Should have said significant.

On seeing the specs for the iPhone 5 I decided to upgrade my 3Gs. Then I heard about the Apple Map problem and changed my mind.

I use Google Maps to find my way around London on a regular basis. Apple's decision to replace something awesome with something broken was a deal killer for me. I doubt I'm the only one.

Broken may be an overstatement. You can also still use the google maps in the browser, and google will be releasing their own app in a few months, or so it is rumored. There are also many other navigation applications.

I can't quite grasp/sympathize the position that apple changing that one app is really so bad as to keep someone from getting a new phone.

 

[megaresp]

I can't quite grasp/sympathize the position that apple changing that one app is really so bad as to keep someone from getting a new phone.

How often do you use maps on your phone? I use the facility several times a weeks.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

How often do you use maps on your phone? I use the facility several times a weeks.

I guess occasionally would be an accurate description. I got rid of my GPS in the car and use the phone.

I'm not arguing that you are wrong to hold off or not upgrade. It's obviously personal preference. It's not that important to me, and I would have to weigh it against all the other costs/benefits.

If using free google maps as an app and not in the browser is a that important to you, then it is.

I don't know how 'wrong' apple maps is in my area. I guess when it gets everything all wrong, I may be irritated and not use it at that point.

 

[megaresp]

If using free google maps as an app and not in the browser is a that important to you, then it is

I've heard this suggestion from a few different people now. Street view doesn't work in a browser on an iPhone, which makes the website version less useful. And its presentation isn't as usable as the dedicated app. And I don't think it can geolocate me as I move either (might be wrong about this). That's an incredibly handy function in the app because if you've just stepped out of a tube it can be difficult to work out exactly where you are. Take Old Street Tube (and I wish somebody would) for example.

I don't know how 'wrong' apple maps is in my area. I guess when it gets everything all wrong, I may be irritated and not use it at that point.

It's wrong enough that it can't be trusted as 'map with search engine' the way the Google Maps app can. If you're going to be somewhere you haven't been before you need to be confident the device is telling you the truth.

It's hard to overstate the usefulness of Street View too. Taking a virtual stroll down the destination street before you arrive, actually eyeballing the very building you need to find, and taking in useful landmarks (e.g. a park) makes it much easier to get to your destination. This only works at street level. A flyover isn't even close to the same thing so replaces something useful with fluff.

If the rumours are true then Apple is buying up every mapping person it can find. That's not surprising, I suppose. Maybe they'll have a worthwhile competitor to Google Maps by the time my 3Gs battery finally gives up the ghost. It's about to be 3 years old and still going strong, so maybe I don't need to do anything for a while.

 

[This is The End]

Just Asking Questions ?

Yeah that's what I meant by this:

This is just a guess, so no one attack me please:

Notice how TheL8Elvis attacks my post superfluously and attacks strawman instead of, oh IDK, maybe addressing the news richardm posted that I was discussing!

That's the last thing TheL8Elvis wants anyone to see.

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J
Comments posted online, however, suggested security guards may have been to blame.

Check how TheL8Elvis highlights something that was already in the very post of mine that was being responded to. Clear evidence of not even reading the post.

Or it could be that the "projected 10 million" was a wildly incorrect number made up by an analyst that has zero insight into apples actual manufacturing capability ?

Also, still waiting for evidence od any "weird supply/demand issues"

Evidence for both has been posted multiple times in this thread. Especially the latter. Either you didn't read the thread at all or you read it with blinders on.

 

[I Ratant]

I got a notice from eBay I could bid on the 5 at many locations... lowest bid at the time was $1100, highest on the first page $2550.
At the AT&T store Mall, out the door today, $199.
What is wrong with people that they will pay 10 times what an object sells for?
Is there something about a call on the 5 that identifies the phone as the 5, so everyone can appreciate/envy the phone's owner?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Yeah that's what I meant by this:

Notice how TheL8Elvis attacks my post superfluously and attacks strawman instead of, oh IDK, maybe addressing the news richardm posted that I was discussing!

That's the last thing TheL8Elvis wants anyone to see.

This is about what you posted, not what I want anyone to see...

I addressed all the points in your post, I wish you had addressed any of my questions in this post

Yes, I have seen reports of scuffs. Maybe it's a legitimate issues, maybe not. Too early to tell from the anecdotal data going around.

I just find it bizarre that you think because an analyst said he expected apple to sell 10,000 iphones the first weekend that you think that number has any relationship to the number of iphones apple expected to sell, or actually did sell.

Do you have any evidence apple didn't sell every phone that they could manufacture ?

Would you also be so kind as to point out what straw man I attacked ?

Check how TheL8Elvis highlights something that was already in the very post of mine that was being responded to. Clear evidence of not even reading the post.

First of all, the text I hilited was from Reuters, not one of the article you linked to.
Second, you asked:

Could those defects have anything to do with the discontent and then the riots at the factories?

Since the article you linked to says:

but employees are accusing the factory guards of beating up workers at the factory.

Comments posted online, however, suggested security guards may have been to blame.

In light of that information, why would you be Just Asking Questions if maybe it had something to do with a totally unrelated subject ?

Evidence for both has been posted multiple times in this thread. Especially the latter. Either you didn't read the thread at all or you read it with blinders on.

You know you are flailing when you have to resort to telling me 'the evidence exists' instead of simply linking to it.

Please, link to said evidence ? Surely it's something other than Wildcats anecdotal evidence that the phones were still available in chicago ?

 

[This is The End]

Nearly every single line in that post is just plain misinformed or a very poorly veiled attempt at obfuscation.

So either you literally didn't read half the posts in this thread which either contains information you claim hasn't been posted or is completely contradictory of your claims, or you are just trying to spin in circles to avoid actual facts.

So either read the thread and the articles linked again, and then have a second look at your posts, or if you are doing the latter, have fun.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Nearly every single line in that post is just plain misinformed or a very poorly veiled attempt at obfuscation.

So either you literally didn't read half the posts in this thread which either contains information you claim hasn't been posted or is completely contradictory of your claims, or you are just trying to spin in circles to avoid actual facts.

So either read the thread and the articles linked again, and then have a second look at your posts, or if you are doing the latter, have fun.

Again, flailing about telling me the evidence exists in the thread, but not actually linking to it or quoting it.

Here is the latest list of questions you dodged:

• Do you have any evidence apple didn't sell every phone that they could manufacture ?
• Would you also be so kind as to point out what straw man I attacked ?
• In light of that information, why would you be Just Asking Questions if maybe it had something to do with a totally unrelated subject ?
• Please, link to said evidence ? Surely it's something other than Wildcats anecdotal evidence that the phones were still available in chicago ?

If you aren't interested in discussing the facts, but want to Just Ask Questions, please just say so.

 

[This is The End]

All of it is in this thread. Read it. I'm not going to do your work for you. Also your "list of questions" is absolutely pathetic. It's not even funny it's so sad.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I've heard this suggestion from a few different people now. Street view doesn't work in a browser on an iPhone, which makes the website version less useful. And its presentation isn't as usable as the dedicated app. And I don't think it can geolocate me as I move either (might be wrong about this). That's an incredibly handy function in the app because if you've just stepped out of a tube it can be difficult to work out exactly where you are. Take Old Street Tube (and I wish somebody would) for example.

Just FYI: According to Pogue " (In two weeks, you’ll be able to get Street View this way, too, says Google.) "

It's wrong enough that it can't be trusted as 'map with search engine' the way the Google Maps app can. If you're going to be somewhere you haven't been before you need to be confident the device is telling you the truth.

It's hard to overstate the usefulness of Street View too. Taking a virtual stroll down the destination street before you arrive, actually eyeballing the very building you need to find, and taking in useful landmarks (e.g. a park) makes it much easier to get to your destination. This only works at street level. A flyover isn't even close to the same thing so replaces something useful with fluff.

If the rumours are true then Apple is buying up every mapping person it can find. That's not surprising, I suppose. Maybe they'll have a worthwhile competitor to Google Maps by the time my 3Gs battery finally gives up the ghost. It's about to be 3 years old and still going strong, so maybe I don't need to do anything for a while.

Maybe. Gruber makes an interesting business case why Apple switched now. It doesn't help make the map app any better though.

 

[Jaxe]

Just curious what's wrong with safari ? Both android and iphone browsers are all based on webkit ...

Not quite that simple

Here's a great talk on browser performance that may explain a thing or two

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Not quite that simple

Here's a great talk on browser performance that may explain a thing or two

Thanks, good video, was a nice overview of a browser.

(and yes, to say webkit based is overly broad, but so is 'I hate safari' )

 

[kajata]

http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/

To our customers,

At Apple, we strive to make world-class products that deliver the best experience possible to our customers. With the launch of our new Maps last week, we fell short on this commitment. We are extremely sorry for the frustration this has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps better.

We launched Maps initially with the first version of iOS. As time progressed, we wanted to provide our customers with even better Maps including features such as turn-by-turn directions, voice integration, Flyover and vector-based maps. In order to do this, we had to create a new version of Maps from the ground up.

There are already more than 100 million iOS devices using the new Apple Maps, with more and more joining us every day. In just over a week, iOS users with the new Maps have already searched for nearly half a billion locations. The more our customers use our Maps the better it will get and we greatly appreciate all of the feedback we have received from you.

While we’re improving Maps, you can try alternatives by downloading map apps from the App Store like Bing, MapQuest and Waze, or use Google or Nokia maps by going to their websites and creating an icon on your home screen to their web app.

Everything we do at Apple is aimed at making our products the best in the world. We know that you expect that from us, and we will keep working non-stop until Maps lives up to the same incredibly high standard.

Tim Cook
Apple’s CEO

 

[brodski]

I see Tim Cook claims that almost half a billion locations have been searched for. Have any been found yet?

 

[kajata]

I see Tim Cook claims that almost half a billion locations have been searched for. Have any been found yet?

Well, the app got me home with no problem so we can safely say at least one location has been found.

Will update total as required.

 

[roger]

I'm impressed by Mr. Cook. No wiggling, no 'but we had to do it, it was the only way" and so on, just "we fell short."

 

[megaresp]

Just FYI: According to Pogue " (In two weeks, you’ll be able to get Street View this way, too, says Google.)" ... Maybe. Gruber makes an interesting business case why Apple switched now. It doesn't help make the map app any better though.

Interesting articles - thanks for that TheL8Elvis. If street view is made available in mobile Safari it would help a lot.

ETA: I've been playing around with Google maps in mobile safari. It has improved a lot since I last looked at it a couple of years ago. And I note it has a popup nag that offers me a way to turn it into an icon - I guess for quick access.

I'm warming to the idea of upgrading to iPhone 5, especially now that Orange has switched me over to EE. If they do actually manage to launch 4G next month I guess my need for speed will override any remaining concerns about driving into the North Sea while trying to find the M4.

Whatever would I do without you TheL8Elvis? Now, how good are you at fighting zombies?