Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Mojo]

I have spoken to Angelina Imden once – in 1992. I will transcribe our conversation with her and its translation to English.

Does Ms. Imden not speak English?

 

[Femke]

Waiting is thirsty work.
Waiting for information about the floating nails, St James and the 70 coffins of Angelina Imden.
Waiting for someone to take charge of the barbie.

A round of Dom for all!

Sorry I am late, I was out collecting wood for the fire. There may be 12 or 13 nails in it, so please be careful, yous would not want to hurt your hands or feet on them.
Can anyone see to the fire while I marinate the steaks?

 

[pakeha]

You're on.
My big worry is making sure none of the nails escapes and tries to float away to the country of Paris.
I have a feeling another round of Dom will help my vigilance.

PC, to tell the truth I didn't really understand the logic of the fig, the cloth and the mid-summer crucifixion.
Could you go over that again?

 

[Mojo]

Angelina is a very uncommon name in Britain...

But possibly rather more common in the Phillipines?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

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Thanks for such thought-provoking information, PC.

This latest account was obviously before st Helene's discovery of the nails. Does this mean there are two nails that floated to Paris- one cast into the sea after Pontius Pilate's death, the other by St Helene?

By the way, do you know when and where Pontius Pilate died?

When was Saint James in Paris?

And of course, a round of Dom for all!

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@pakeha, #337

There seemed to be two nails thrown into the sea that ended up in Paris.

One was when Pontius Pilate died during the first century AD because he lived during that period. Ama revealed that the Pharisees threw the nail into the sea. So Pharisees, Israel. This was found in Paris by Saint James. This was named “Clavo Santo”. On page 203, “Clavo Santo” is in Karpentas or Carpentras, France, meaning to say that the nail was taken to Carpentras, France from Paris, France. By whom? I do not know.

The other was when Saint Helena threw the nail into the Adriatic Sea, must be during the fourth century AD. This is in the “Pasiong Mahal”, page 204, in Saint Denys (San Dionisio) Cathedral or Temple in Paris, France. Saint Helena found twelve nails, eight of which were rusty. One nail is missing to make a total of five for Jesus because it was thrown into the sea during the first century AD. The five are two for the hands, two for the feet, and one for the sign.

I remember that Ama sent members to flooded areas in Pangasinan and threw nails in them. The flood stopped rising. I will post the tape recording when I find it.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Does Ms. Imden not speak English?

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@Mojo, #361

I believe Angelina Imden can speak in English since what I heard is that she is from England, in Great Britain. In conversations with her, the listeners in the Philippines talk to her in Filipino and she is heard talking in Filipino also. I have experienced talking to her in Filipino in 1992 which I am transcribing at the moment (about 40 minutes).

 

[jsfisher]

There seemed to be two nails thrown into the sea that ended up in Paris.

Fluid story is fluid.

 

[tsig]

I think the reference to Mary Magdalene is an allusion to these verses from John 20: You see, if Jesus was 6'8" tall then it becomes very remarkable that Mary M would mistake him for a gardener. His immense stature (do you understand this?) would have been a clue to his identity. Moreover, her proposal that this similarly-sized gardener should tell her where the body of Jesus had been taken so that she could take him away is an exceptionally audacious one, given Jesus' huge bodily size.

Of course, if Mary M was herself over 7 feet tall, and had already amassed a collection of 72 corpses, then all the difficulties disappear.

So there was no resurrection just an invasion of 7 foot female body snatchers?

 

[pakeha]

20120909.2240

@pakeha, #337

There seemed to be two nails thrown into the sea that ended up in Paris.

One was when Pontius Pilate died during the first century AD because he lived during that period. Ama revealed that the Pharisees threw the nail into the sea. So Pharisees, Israel. This was found in Paris by Saint James. This was named “Clavo Santo”. On page 203, “Clavo Santo” is in Karpentas or Carpentras, France, meaning to say that the nail was taken to Carpentras, France from Paris, France. By whom? I do not know.

The other was when Saint Helena threw the nail into the Adriatic Sea, must be during the fourth century AD. This is in the “Pasiong Mahal”, page 204, in Saint Denys (San Dionisio) Cathedral or Temple in Paris, France. Saint Helena found twelve nails, eight of which were rusty. One nail is missing to make a total of five for Jesus because it was thrown into the sea during the first century AD. The five are two for the hands, two for the feet, and one for the sign.

I remember that Ama sent members to flooded areas in Pangasinan and threw nails in them. The flood stopped rising. I will post the tape recording when I find it.

Thanks so much for the information, PC.
However, it totally conflicts with what we know of the nail relic that was in St Denis and the other in Carpentras.
Remember?
The nail relic in St Denis was brought there by Charles the Bald, as is related here


The nail relic in Carpentras was supposedly the one st Helene gave her son and was worked into a bridle.
It was an entirely different nail which the Empress cast into the sea.

I find it strange this spirit Ka Apaz channels doesn't keep their story straight.

I also asked about this channeled message that St James was in Paris. St James was supposed to have gone to Santiago de Compostela, not Paris.

This strange error, plus the false st. Evangeline and the weird, weird story of Angelina Imden would incline me to think the channelings of Ka Apaz are NOT to Jesus.

I can imagine NO benefit from listening to the demonstrably false channelings of a fraudulent spirit claiming to be Jesus.

 

[Mojo]

I believe Angelina Imden can speak in English since what I heard is that she is from England, in Great Britain.

Do you have any actual evidence that she is from England? All you seem to have is Ka Apaz's unsupported assertion of this.

 

[Craig B]

So there was no resurrection just an invasion of 7 foot female body snatchers?

And 6 foot 8 inch gardeners. Quite a sight!

 

[Agatha]

Particularly since the average person in Biblical times was much shorter than the average today; someone of 6'8" would have really stood out as being extraordinarily one-of-a-kind tall.

(Mind you, this is from the person who contends Angelina Imden is also record-breakingly tall in the UK, but no newspaper or records organisation seems to know about her).

I'm still unclear as to how the people in the Philippines talk to Angelina. Over the phone, or via that false medium Ka Apaz?

 

[TjW]

And I stilk want to know how could John the Baptist write the gospel several decades after his decapitation.

That's easy. They cut off his head, not his hands.

 

[tsig]

From Glasgow to Joisey!
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I still want to know about the floating nails, Pontius Pilate and the Emperor Constantine's mother.
And why St James was in Paris.

For the cuisine, of course.

 

[pakeha]

Of course.
Coquilles saint-jacques Parisienne!

A perfect side dish for the barbie!
Another round of Dom for all!

 

[ixolite]

20120907.0305

@Craig B, #275

It was the disciple John the Baptist who Jesus loved. It was John the Baptist who was with the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM) when Jesus was crucified. John the Baptist was the second cousin of Jesus. The mother of John the Baptist was Elizabeth, the first cousin of the BVM (Luke 1:36). Jesus was the only child of BVM. It was John the Baptist to whom Jesus addressed while on the cross, “Behold thy mother!”

The evangelist John is not John the Apostle, the brother of James, the son of Zebedee. Jesus gave them the name “Boanerges” which means, “Sons of Thunder” (Mark 3:17). Why “Sons of Thunder”? Because they are loud. FYI, the author of the gospel of John is John the Baptist.

Who was wed at Cana (John 2:1-12)? It was John the Baptist. Why was the BVM present during the wedding? Why was she concerned about the wine?

I do not know if there was any sound made by John the Baptist when beheaded but the lips were moving as if talking (“kumikibot”). The beheaded Saint Denis walked for six miles (ten km) from Montmarte in France to his burial site preaching with his head in his hands.

Are you aware, that according to the bible, John the baptist died before Jesus was crucified?

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@jsfisher, #271

There were four nails to nail the hands and feet of Jesus. There were only three nails used for Dimas and Hestas, the thieves crucified with Jesus. So the total is 10. When Helena, the mother of Prince Constantine, demolished the church of Venus in Jerusalem in the fourth century AD, she found twelve nails. But one nail was thrown into the sea when Pontius Pilate died during the first century AD to calm a storm. Did you know that the body of Pontius Pilate was thrown into the sea to calm that storm? The sea became more tumultuous. Then they threw one of the nails in the crucifixion of Jesus and the storm calmed down. So originally, there were thirteen nails. It means that one nail each was used for the signs.

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This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm .

The nail that floated

Marcial Aguila:What is that nail that floated on the sea?
Ama: That went to the country of Paris. That is what they call “Clavo Santo”. It means “Holy Nail”. That is what floated. The reason why it floated, when Pontius Pilate died, it stormed, earthquaked, flooded. They would not stop then. That is when he [Pilate] was buried. What the Pharisees did, they took Pilate and threw his corpse into the sea. The earthquake and flooding did not stop. What they did ..., what happened, they became more violent then.
Sofia Aguila: It became more intense.
Ama: The storm, rain and flood became more intense. What was done then, one nail was thrown into the sea. The weather calmed down. Maybe, the cruelty of the weather stopped. And the nail floated until it reached Paris. There, Saint James found it. There, it was praised because there was no nail that floated. They praised it and named it “Clavo Santo”. You have many ...
Marcial: In that event, Ama, in Your ... You made it happened?
Ama: That is ... that should not sink because that would get lost.
Marcial: No. When the earthquake stopped ...

This transcription is from tape k15b, 13:32-15:16

Also, Ama related that one nail was thrown into the sea (I believe in Israel) which floated when Pontius Pilate died and ended up in Paris. On page 204 of Pasiong Mahal, it also says about a nail that Saint Helena threw into the Adriatic Sea which also ended up in Paris. I am confused.

So, let me get this straight:

- We have a roman governor (in Cesarea), who died, yet the religious authorities of the occupied country (in Jerusalem) somehow got hold of his corpse despite all those roman soldiers around and threw it into the sea to calm a storm.
- The religious leaders apparently liked to rob the graves of dead criminals (which happen to be in Jerusalem) and then throw the stuff they got form the graves into the sea (which is a dayride or so away from Jerusalem) to calm storms.
- Nails can swim from Israel to Paris.

Yup, makes sense.

 

[Paul]

Some revelations of Ama are still being studied whether to accept them or not, like Reneliniyindi, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline. You help in evaluating them.

Why do you think Jesus lies to you all the time?

 

[AdMan]

Particularly since the average person in Biblical times was much shorter than the average today; someone of 6'8" would have really stood out as being extraordinarily one-of-a-kind tall.

You would think were such a remarkable fact true it would have at least been mentioned in the Gospels, wouldn't you?

I'm still unclear as to how the people in the Philippines talk to Angelina. Over the phone, or via that false medium Ka Apaz?

I'm not going to try to dig up the post, but I believe PC has said he's spoken to "Angelina" via the old witch.

BTW, an interesting fact--years ago PC was referring to her as Angelita, which I would think is a much less common name in England than Angelina (and a lot more common in the Philippines, with the diminutive suffixes -ita and -ito from Spanish...).

 

[Paul]

So there was no resurrection just an invasion of 7 foot female body snatchers?

Comming soon, straight to grindhouse infamy:

 

[Mojo]

Nails can swim from Israel to Paris.

They go back to spawn.