Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[PeaceCrusader]

Brilliant.
A round of Dom for all!


That is a most remarkable document, PC, most remarkable.
Now the spirit of ama claims to be jesus?

And you really believe jesus is in contact with a woman in the UK with a house full of coffins, I refer to Angelina Imden, of course.


Ahem.


Well, PC has explained before that a lot of history will have to be rewritten.
Another round of Dom for all!
And some decent nibbles.
Hmmm.
I wouldn't say no to a barbie.

20120908.1935

@pakeha, #318

You are correct, pakeha, the spirit of Ama claims to be Jesus. It took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit of Ama who we (plural) talk to is Jesus. He is the source of the May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus that I proved to be true and correct, about 20 years since I first heard them.

Angelina Imden is the British woman who Jesus assigned to dig up the bodies of Reneliniyindi. Although I have talked to Angelina Imden once, it is still a question mark for me that she has coffins with the bodies dag throughout the world – until I see them with my own eyes. I believe in reincarnation. I believe that we are alive because the spirit that the only true God gave us is still in our body. Once the spirit leaves the body, then we say that the body is dead. I believe that there was a spirit which resided, most likely, the first , in the body of a woman. Her name maybe Reneliniyindi, an Egyptian princess who died on her wedding day, according to Ama. The body died and the spirit transferred to another body, and so on. That spirit presently resides in the body of Ka Apaz.

The bodies where the spirit resided seem not to decay (incorruptible) which Angelina Imden digs up and brings to Great Britain. How the bodies entered Great Britain, I do not know.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

20120908.1900

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm .

The nail that floated

Marcial Aguila:What is that nail that floated on the sea?
Ama: That went to the country of Paris. That is what they call “Clavo Santo”. It means “Holy Nail”. That is what floated. The reason why it floated, when Pontius Pilate died, it stormed, earthquaked, flooded. They would not stop then. That is when he [Pilate] was buried. What the Pharisees did, they took Pilate and threw his corpse into the sea. The earthquake and flooding did not stop. What they did ..., what happened, they became more violent then.
Sofia Aguila: It became more intense.
Ama: The storm, rain and flood became more intense. What was done then, one nail was thrown into the sea. The weather calmed down. Maybe, the cruelty of the weather stopped. And the nail floated until it reached Paris. There, Saint James found it. There, it was praised because there was no nail that floated. They praised it and named it “Clavo Santo”. You have many ...
Marcial: In that event, Ama, in Your ... You made it happened?
Ama: That is ... that should not sink because that would get lost.
Marcial: No. When the earthquake stopped ...

This transcription is from tape k15b, 13:32-15:16

 

[pakeha]

Thanks for posting up that information, PC.
In the case that Ka Apaz is channeling the spirit of Jesus, how could it be that there's that mistake about the nails?
I refer to the Carpentras and Milan nails claiming to be the same one.
It really doesn't make any sense.

Also.
When you say you've spoken to Angelina, do you mean via Ka Apaz' s channeling?

In any case, more Dom for all!

 

[Agatha]

Peace Crusader, have you talked directly with this "Angelina Imden", or have you talked to her via Ka Apaz or another medium?

Whereabouts in the UK is Ms Imden supposed to be?

I have done as much research as I can without more information into this "Angelina Imden" and cannot find any trace of any such person living in this country (and we already disproved the claim that she was an heir to the Helene Curtis cosmetics fortune).

If you can get some more information, like where she supposedly lives and when and where she was born, I can do some further research to help support or refute the claim that she keeps dead bodies in her house (which is illegal here).

 

[Craig B]

Peace Crusader, have you talked directly with this "Angelina Imden", or have you talked to her via Ka Apaz or another medium? <snip> If you can get some more information, like where she supposedly lives and when and where she was born, I can do some further research to help support or refute the claim that she keeps dead bodies in her house (which is illegal here).

Is it illegal if the bodies are incorruptible? But one wonders where she digs them up, and how she conveys them to the UK.

PeaceCrusader has the most bizarre belief system I have ever encountered.

 

[Agatha]

It would still be preventing lawful burial if this Ms Imden (if she exists) keeps them in her house.

I know our Border Agency makes mistakes, but I think they and and HMRC would notice if someone was importing dead bodies into the UK; it's not as if dead bodies in coffins are small items which could be easily concealed!

 

[pakeha]

Keep in mind Angelina Imden has 90+ corpses in her home, IIRC.

The only reference to Imden I found was to a Chinese cell phone:
http://cectcellphone.com/en/tv-phone/469-imden-i18-tv-phone.html

 

[hurdygurdy]

I check what the spirit of Ama says. If it is in the Holy Bible, then most likely, I will believe it. The Holy Bible is my reference. If it is not, or contradicts with what is, in the Bible, then I checked if it is logically correct.

Floating nails, a nonexistent Egyptyan princess, a nonexistent St. Evangeline, reincarnation, Angelina Indem the body snatcher, saints carrying their own heads... Yes, they all are "logically correct".

 

[catsmate]

Hermione Granger and Ron Weasley are characters from the Harry Potter novels (fiction, just like the bible).

A better written and more internally consistent work, with superior morality.

There were four nails to nail the hands and feet of Jesus. There were only three nails used for Dimas and Hestas, the thieves crucified with Jesus.

Evidence for this claim? And your unsupported opinion is worthless.

So the total is 10. When Helena, the mother of Prince Constantine, demolished the church of Venus in Jerusalem in the fourth century AD, she found twelve nails. But one nail was thrown into the sea when Pontius Pilate died during the first century AD to calm a storm. Did you know that the body of Pontius Pilate was thrown into the sea to calm that storm? The sea became more tumultuous. Then they threw one of the nails in the crucifixion of Jesus and the storm calmed down. So originally, there were thirteen nails. It means that one nail each was used for the signs.

Evidence for this little fantasy of yours?

It was the disciple John the Baptist who Jesus loved. It was John the Baptist who was with the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM) when Jesus was crucified. John the Baptist was the second cousin of Jesus. The mother of John the Baptist was Elizabeth, the first cousin of the BVM (Luke 1:36). Jesus was the only child of BVM. It was John the Baptist to whom Jesus addressed while on the cross, “Behold thy mother!”

Evidence for this little fantasy of yours?

The evangelist John is not John the Apostle, the brother of James, the son of Zebedee. Jesus gave them the name “Boanerges” which means, “Sons of Thunder” (Mark 3:17). Why “Sons of Thunder”? Because they are loud. FYI, the author of the gospel of John is John the Baptist.

Evidence for this little fantasy of yours?

Who was wed at Cana (John 2:1-12)? It was John the Baptist. Why was the BVM present during the wedding? Why was she concerned about the wine?

Evidence for this little fantasy of yours?

I do not know if there was any sound made by John the Baptist when beheaded but the lips were moving as if talking (“kumikibot”). The beheaded Saint Denis walked for six miles (ten km) from Montmarte in France to his burial site preaching with his head in his hands.

More silly fantasies.

The nail that floated
<snippage>

Evidence for these fantasies?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Thanks for posting up that information, PC.
In the case that Ka Apaz is channeling the spirit of Jesus, how could it be that there's that mistake about the nails?
I refer to the Carpentras and Milan nails claiming to be the same one.
It really doesn't make any sense.

Also.
When you say you've spoken to Angelina, do you mean via Ka Apaz' s channeling?

In any case, more Dom for all!

20120908.2135

@pakeha, #323

I have spoken to Angelina Imden once – in 1992. I will transcribe our conversation with her and its translation to English. It is in h06a.

Briefly, here are some points that I gathered:
1. There are 75 corpses with her that had been dug.
2. They look like each other.
3. She is 7 feet 2 inches tall.
4. She was born on 1956-01-20. If I heard it right, she was 36 years old then.
5. The name of the woman where the spirit lived before Ka Apaz was Rosalina Miraflor. She lived for 18 years from 1906 to 1924 in Spain.
6. Prior to Rosalina, she lived in Japan under the name Matzuyama. She died there in 1891.
7. She related how Reneliniyindi died on her wedding day.

Saint Helena might have brought back four nails to Rome. From Pasiong Mahal, page 204, they are in Karpentas (most likely, Carpentras, France); Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France.

The nails in Carpentras and in Milan maybe the same one or maybe two pieces. They need to be checked.

Also, Ama related that one nail was thrown into the sea (I believe in Israel) which floated when Pontius Pilate died and ended up in Paris. On page 204 of Pasiong Mahal, it also says about a nail that Saint Helena threw into the Adriatic Sea which also ended up in Paris. I am confused.

Here is Holy Robe in Trier, Germany:
http://www.heilig-rock-wallfahrt.de/start/aktuelles/meldung/vierwoechige-festzeit-ist-vorbei.html

It looks big because Jesus was really big. He was 6 feet 8 inches tall or 203 cm.

 

[Paul]

I have spoken to Angelina Imden once – in 1992...

So we're looking for a 56 year old telepathic giant with the ability to display 75 corpses without suspicion who has done nothing to bring her to the attention of anyone, ever.

 

[Paul]

It took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit of Ama who we (plural) talk to is Jesus...

If your information comes from jesus, why is it all wrong?

 

[pakeha]

..
I have spoken to Angelina Imden once – in 1992. I will transcribe our conversation with her and its translation to English. It is in h06a.

Briefly, here are some points that I gathered:
1. There are 75 corpses with her that had been dug.
2. They look like each other.
3. She is 7 feet 2 inches tall.
4. She was born on 1956-01-20. If I heard it right, she was 36 years old then.
5. The name of the woman where the spirit lived before Ka Apaz was Rosalina Miraflor. She lived for 18 years from 1906 to 1924 in Spain.
6. Prior to Rosalina, she lived in Japan under the name Matzuyama. She died there in 1891.
7. She related how Reneliniyindi died on her wedding day.

Saint Helena might have brought back four nails to Rome. From Pasiong Mahal, page 204, they are in Karpentas (most likely, Carpentras, France); Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France.

The nails in Carpentras and in Milan maybe the same one or maybe two pieces. They need to be checked.

Also, Ama related that one nail was thrown into the sea (I believe in Israel) which floated when Pontius Pilate died and ended up in Paris. On page 204 of Pasiong Mahal, it also says about a nail that Saint Helena threw into the Adriatic Sea which also ended up in Paris. I am confused.

Here is Holy Robe in Trier, Germany:
http://www.heilig-rock-wallfahrt.de/start/aktuelles/meldung/vierwoechige-festzeit-ist-vorbei.html

It looks big because Jesus was really big. He was 6 feet 8 inches tall or 203 cm.

That's a lot of interesting information, PC.
Did you speak to Angelina Imden by phone?

While I mull over the idea of a 7'2" woman with 75 corpses in her home somewhere in the home counties, a round of Dom for all!

 

[Wolrab]

Seems the number of nails in this tale is growing like rabbits multiplying. Can we get some rabbit cartoons, now?

Here you go! From The Perry Bible Fellowship, a comic series written by a friend of mine's brother:
http://pbfcomics.com/77/

 

[AdMan]

20120908.1900

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag082.htm .

The nail that floated

Marcial Aguila:What is that nail that floated on the sea?
Ama: That went to the country of Paris.

There is no country of Paris. KA needs to bone up on her geography.

That is what they call “Clavo Santo”. It means “Holy Nail”.

If they found it in Paris, why did they name it in Spanish?

What was done then, one nail was thrown into the sea. The weather calmed down. Maybe, the cruelty of the weather stopped. And the nail floated until it reached Paris.

It was thrown into the sea from present-day Israel, floated across the Mediterranean, through the Strait of Gibraltar, around the Iberian Peninsula, into the English channel, then wended its way into and down the Seine River until it reached Paris?

Forgive me if I call poppycock on this nonsense.

 

[AvalonXQ]

It was thrown into the sea from present-day Israel, floated across the Mediterranean, through the Strait of Gibraltar, around the Iberian Peninsula, into the English channel, then wended its way into and down the Seine River until it reached Paris?

It was the will of Poseidon that it reach Paris.

 

[pakeha]

^

... And the nail floated until it reached Paris. There, Saint James found it. There, it was praised because there was no nail that floated. They praised it and named it “Clavo Santo”. ...

Thanks for such thought-provoking information, PC.

This latest account was obviously before st Helene's discovery of the nails. Does this mean there are two nails that floated to Paris- one cast into the sea after Pontius Pilate's death, the other by St Helene?

By the way, do you know when and where Pontius Pilate died?

When was Saint James in Paris?

And of course, a round of Dom for all!

 

[Agatha]

20120908.2135

@pakeha, #323

I have spoken to Angelina Imden once – in 1992. I will transcribe our conversation with her and its translation to English. It is in h06a.

If she's British, why does she not speak to you in English?

Briefly, here are some points that I gathered:
1. There are 75 corpses with her that had been dug.

And where does she keep these, without coming to the notice of the authorities? They must take up a lot of space.

2. They look like each other.

She's opened the coffins, then?

3. She is 7 feet 2 inches tall.

You should contact the Guinness World Records organisation; they think that the tallest woman living in the UK is Jessica Pardoe at 6 feet 11 inches.

This particular claim, of Ms Imden's height, seems bogus to me. If she is that tall and living in the UK, someone would by now have pointed her out to Guinness World Records or the newspapers.

4. She was born on 1956-01-20. If I heard it right, she was 36 years old then.

Was she born in the UK, and is Imden her birth surname? This is a claim which can be checked.

5. The name of the woman where the spirit lived before Ka Apaz was Rosalina Miraflor. She lived for 18 years from 1906 to 1924 in Spain.
6. Prior to Rosalina, she lived in Japan under the name Matzuyama. She died there in 1891.
7. She related how Reneliniyindi died on her wedding day.

I'll stick with researching Angelina Imden before I go on to Spanish or Japanese records.

Saint Helena might have brought back four nails to Rome. From Pasiong Mahal, page 204, they are in Karpentas (most likely, Carpentras, France); Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France.

The nails in Carpentras and in Milan maybe the same one or maybe two pieces. They need to be checked.

Also, Ama related that one nail was thrown into the sea (I believe in Israel) which floated when Pontius Pilate died and ended up in Paris. On page 204 of Pasiong Mahal, it also says about a nail that Saint Helena threw into the Adriatic Sea which also ended up in Paris. I am confused.

If you stopped believing the fantasies that Ama relates to you, you'd be less confused.

Here is Holy Robe in Trier, Germany:
http://www.heilig-rock-wallfahrt.de/start/aktuelles/meldung/vierwoechige-festzeit-ist-vorbei.html

It looks big because Jesus was really big. He was 6 feet 8 inches tall or 203 cm.

Really? You'd think the Bible would have noted this, given that Jewish men of the time would have been around five feet tall. Mary Magdalene must have been a powerlifter if she could have lifted a 6'8" dead body. The Acts of John v90 says he was small of stature.

PC, I really don't mind you believing any kind of nonsense that makes you happy, but some of these claims are verging on the ridiculous.

You keep urging people to be discerning, but you don't seem to be able to apply discernment to these crazy claims, like Ms Imden living with 75 dead bodies and being taller than the UK's tallest woman, or Jesus being freakishly tall for now, never mind for Biblical times. Can you be discerning?

 

[George 152]

Keep in mind Angelina Imden has 90+ corpses in her home, IIRC.

The only reference to Imden I found was to a Chinese cell phone:
http://cectcellphone.com/en/tv-phone/469-imden-i18-tv-phone.html

She probably lives in a pauper morgue..
Try the roast pork

 

[Agatha]

Angelina is a very uncommon name in Britain, so it ought to be easy to trace this woman - if indeed she exists and isn't a figment of Ka Apaz's imagination. Google reveals nothing except PeaceCrusader's postings.

An initial search of the BMD (Births, Marriages, Deaths) index for Great Britain has revealed 29 women called Angelina who were born in 1956. None has the surname Imden, and only five of them were registered in the Jan/Feb/Mar quarter. Three of those five have been married, but not to anyone called Imden.

I can't investigate much further as all five of them are still alive, but as none of them are called Imden I don't think that any of them are the "Angelina Imden" of Ka Apaz's imagination.

Do you have any further comment on this person, Peace Crusader, or any more information that could be used to check whether she really exists?