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Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

Agatha said:
Really? You'd think the Bible would have noted this, given that Jewish men of the time would have been around five feet tall. Mary Magdalene must have been a powerlifter if she could have lifted a 6'8" dead body. The Acts of John v90 says he was small of stature.

PC, I really don't mind you believing any kind of nonsense that makes you happy, but some of these claims are verging on the ridiculous.
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@Agatha, #338

I think Jesus was really tall. The spirit of Ama said that He was 6 feet 8 inches tall. There are two instances that I accept this claim:
1. The story in the Holy Bible about Zacchaeus (Luke 19:1-10). Jesus was passing through Jericho lined with people. Let us say that it is several persons deep. The person at the back could still see Jesus because Jesus was tall. He just had to look up. However, Zacchaeus was short of stature. He had to climb a sycamore tree to see Jesus.
2. Akiana Kramarik, a prodigy child, painted the Prince of Peace who is Jesus using a very tall model, who was a carpenter (http://www.in5d.com/meet-prodigy-artist-akiane-kramarik-the-indigo-child-of-an-athiest.html ), when she was eight years old (please see her paintings at http://www.akiane.com/store/ ). A few years ago, I requested those in the Philippines to ask Ama if what I sent them was the picture of Jesus. A few days later, I got a confirmation.

Mary Magdalene was just a spectator when Jesus was crucified. Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus removed the dead Jesus from the cross.
 
Agatha said:
Angelina is a very uncommon name in Britain, so it ought to be easy to trace this woman - if indeed she exists and isn't a figment of Ka Apaz's imagination. Google reveals nothing except PeaceCrusader's postings.

An initial search of the BMD (Births, Marriages, Deaths) index for Great Britain has revealed 29 women called Angelina who were born in 1956. None has the surname Imden, and only five of them were registered in the Jan/Feb/Mar quarter. Three of those five have been married, but not to anyone called Imden.

I can't investigate much further as all five of them are still alive, but as none of them are called Imden I don't think that any of them are the "Angelina Imden" of Ka Apaz's imagination.

Do you have any further comment on this person, Peace Crusader, or any more information that could be used to check whether she really exists?
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@Agatha, #340

Thank you, Agatha, for your help in tracing the veracity of Angelina Imden in Great Britain. It was before the Internet that we encountered her.

I have said that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I believed that the spirit of Ama who we talk to is Jesus. Now, with your scrutinizing help and others, we can check whether Ama is correct or not. We can also check the claims of Angelina Imden and the “Pasiong Mahal” which was first published in 1884.

Let us be discerning. Pick up what we think is good for our soul and discard what is evil.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I think Jesus was really tall. The spirit of Ama said that He was 6 feet 8 inches tall ... Mary Magdalene was just a spectator when Jesus was crucified. Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus removed the dead Jesus from the cross.
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I think the reference to Mary Magdalene is an allusion to these verses from John 20:
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. 14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
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You see, if Jesus was 6'8" tall then it becomes very remarkable that Mary M would mistake him for a gardener. His immense stature (do you understand this?) would have been a clue to his identity. Moreover, her proposal that this similarly-sized gardener should tell her where the body of Jesus had been taken so that she could take him away is an exceptionally audacious one, given Jesus' huge bodily size.

Of course, if Mary M was herself over 7 feet tall, and had already amassed a collection of 72 corpses, then all the difficulties disappear.
 
gabeygoat said:
You keep saying this, but you also keep saying that Ama (Ka Apaz) is Jesus. Why the hell would Jesus keep telling you wrong or evil things?
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@gabeygoat, #344

The spirit of Ama is different from the spirit of Ka Apaz. They are two separate entities. They are NOT one and the same. They have different voices, different wisdoms, different mannerisms.

I do not take everything that Ama says “hook, line, and sinker”. I pick up those which I believe will be good for my soul and discard what I believe is evil. I ask in this forum what your opinions are so that they can help me form my own conclusion, whether to accept what he says or not.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I do not take everything that Ama says “hook, line, and sinker”.
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Yes, you do.

Else please tell us what you have discarded of Ama's teachings, besides her (yes, her) failed prophecy on the London Olympics not taking place.

What have you discarded of what Ama has said as evil?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I do not take everything that Ama says “hook, line, and sinker”. I pick up those which I believe will be good for my soul and discard what I believe is evil. I ask in this forum what your opinions are so that they can help me form my own conclusion, whether to accept what he says or not.
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PC, you may think that you have retained what is "good for {your} soul," but I think that you have retained the exact opposite. I think that you have become ensnared in a horrifically laughable tangle of nonsensical and unhealthy ideas. I do not envy you, and I do not want to become like you.

As has been pointed out earlier in the thread, we do not believe what you are telling us. It seems that every time someone questions you on the veracity of what you have posted here, you dig up an even more outlandish "explanation" that makes the story even more absurd.

I'll say it again: We don't believe you.

It doesn't matter how many Ka Apaz transcripts you post, because we don't believe that Ka Apaz is credible.

It doesn't matter how many times you mention Egyptian princesses or the adventures of British graverobbers or magical nails; we don't believe you.

If your objective was to convert us to your way of thinking, PC, you have failed spectacularly. Your ideas of "discernment" and "good for the soul" look very much like the struggles of a drowning man trying to drag his rescuers down with him.

Therefore, PC, My opinion is that your beliefs and assertions are unhealthy and almost certainly wrong in virtually every detail. My recommendation is that you immediately and permanently discard everything that Ka Apaz and her imaginary "Ama" has ever told you, no matter how much it hurts, and spend a few months just living your life, not worrying about gods, demons or future realms.

Try it. The world can be a very beautiful place.
 
George152 said:
She probably lives in a pauper morgue..
Try the roast pork
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Mmmm.
Roast pork? Or gammon?



PeaceCrusader said:
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I think Jesus was really tall. The spirit of Ama said that He was 6 feet 8 inches tall.
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Again, thanks for all this information, PC, I'm fascinated by all you have been given in these communications.
Have you ever seen a person who's 6' 8"?

PeaceCrusader said:
... Akiana Kramarik, a prodigy child, painted the Prince of Peace who is Jesus using a very tall model, who was a carpenter (http://www.in5d.com/meet-prodigy-artist-akiane-kramarik-the-indigo-child-of-an-athiest.html ), when she was eight years old (please see her paintings at http://www.akiane.com/store/ ). A few years ago, I requested those in the Philippines to ask Ama if what I sent them was the picture of Jesus. A few days later, I got a confirmation. ...
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Well, that settles it.
Here's a youtube clip which transforms the image of the you-know-what to this artist's painting:


A round of Dom for all!

Craig B said:
...her (Mary Magdalene's) proposal that this similarly-sized gardener should tell her where the body of Jesus had been taken so that she could take him away is an exceptionally audacious one, given Jesus' huge bodily size.

Of course, if Mary M was herself over 7 feet tall...then all the difficulties disappear.
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There you are, then!

Stomatopoda said:
If you happen to find yourself bored in the near future, I have a film recommendation. It's something you really should see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107614/
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One of my favourite movies.
Another round of Dom for all!
And some pistachios.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I do not take everything that Ama says “hook, line, and sinker”. I pick up those which I believe will be good for my soul and discard what I believe is evil. I ask in this forum what your opinions are so that they can help me form my own conclusion, whether to accept what he says or not.
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You (singular) take everything that a blind illiterate scammer says "hook, line and sinker". And you (singular) think that a nuclear war and the death of billions of human beings is good for your soul. So you shouldn't be surprised that you only get mock and ridicule from everybody.
 
PeaceCrusader, your 'evidence' for Jesus being freakishly tall is not very convincing. In fact, it's absolute nonsense. Again, you are assuming that Ka Apaz (who is almost certainly acting) is telling the truth, even when her claims are not supported by the Bible or by other evidence.

As far as I can determine, there is no such person as Angelina Imden living in the UK. The idea of anyone keeping some 70 dead bodies in their home in this country is vanishingly unlikely, as is the claim that she's over seven feet tall. Even if she exists, she could not be the heir to the Helene Curtis cosmetics company. With the advent if the Internet, it's much easier to check the claims Ka Apaz has made, and in almost every case the claims have been shown to be false.

When you spoke to Angelina all those years ago, did you speak to her directly, or via Ka Apaz (or other medium)? If you spoke to her directly, why did you not speak to her in English?
 
rickps said:
ftfy :d
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I don't think you fixed it too good. When I was at school "everybody" was singular. If we said "everybody are" or "everybody do" instead if "is" or "does", why, the teacher would go bananas!

In my native Glasgow dialect we've got a plural "you" - "yous". Immensely useful!
 
pakeha said:
From Glasgow to Joisey!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yous

I still want to know about the floating nails, Pontius Pilate and the Emperor Constantine's mother.
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So do I, but we're not going to find out any time soon. So let me while away an idle hour with some remarks on language. By the way, your source's example of usage
I seen what yous done.
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is absolutely perfect! Joisey must have been settled by immigrants from Glasgow. In fact, this is most certainly true, I am led to believe, of the town of Kearny. See wiki.
The early influx and development of industry in Kearny dates back to 1875 when the Clark Thread Company of Paisley in Scotland extended its activities to the United States by erecting two large mills in Kearny, and adding two others in 1890. These mills brought to Kearny thousands of Scots immigrants.
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Paisley is next door to Glasgow.

But enough of this off topic material! Let us wait for the explanation of the floating nails.
 
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That's really putting the E in JREF!

But don't forget- it's not just Joisey, it's Brooklyn, too.
http://buddychai.com/Brooklyn/Bklynese.html

Waiting is thirsty work.
Waiting for information about the floating nails, St James and the 70 coffins of Angelina Imden.
Waiting for someone to take charge of the barbie.

A round of Dom for all!
 
AdMan said:
Yes, you do.

Else please tell us what you have discarded of Ama's teachings, besides her (yes, her) failed prophecy on the London Olympics not taking place.

What have you discarded of what Ama has said as evil?
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@AdMan, #347

Should I discard the revelations of the spirit of Ama that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17? I have proven these myself to be true and correct in my studies. Did you know that a few days ago, I found another Holy Bible incident that His death really occurred in summer? I have cited before about the fig tree and the linen cloth.

Why do you say that the spirit of Ama and the spirit of Ka Apaz are one and the same? That Ka Apaz is just faking as Ama? Please read the messages of Ama said extemporaneously in http://aristean.org/pahayagxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 075. Some are lengthy. That is why I say, learn to pick out things that will be good for your soul and discard what is evil.

Some revelations of Ama are still being studied whether to accept them or not, like Reneliniyindi, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline. You help in evaluating them.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Should I discard the revelations of the spirit of Ama that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17? I have proven these myself to be true and correct in my studies ... That is why I say, learn to pick out things that will be good for your soul and discard what is evil.
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But factual statements about things like birthdays and nails, cannot be "good" or "evil". Only things susceptible to moral judgement can be that. For factual questions: How tall was Jesus? Was Pontius Pilate thrown into the Adriatic Sea? and things of that order, there is no good or evil, only true or false. And you must not accept as true any statement for which you do not have adequate evidence. It is not your soul which determines these sorts of questions, but your mind, your senses and your capacity to reason.
 
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