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Shouldn't the world be warned that a nuclear war has taken place and that 200,000,000 Chinese troops are invading?


Those folks caught without draft guards and duct tape no longer care. :(

I hope we made enough canapés.
 
2, the number of gold medals Kazakhstan has won.
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I still feel devastated by the failure of the prophecies of the spirit. Why have they failed?

Maybe I wrongly interpreted the prophecies....
The original text is in message 1944. How about if “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon” (“That will not be held”) means the 2012 Olympic Games will be completed on 08-12? That is the stop point. There are two Wednesdays during the Games – 08-01 and 08-08. There is still a problem at the South China Sea and there is a possibility that war would erupt there anytime because of the Philippines’ claim to the Spratly Islands and Scarborough Shoals. Just take care on these dates.

I cannot accept what some of you say that there is no spirit. ...

Well, the up-side is we're still in time to learn more about your project for a model community.
Am I still in time time to participate in this?
 
BOGOF

I was trying to think of an ideal holiday destination, somewhere quiet and peacefull, somewhere to do some Birdwatching and a bit of walking. I was getting nowhere.

Then all of a sudden..Bingo! the Spratly Islands!.

It was staring me in the face all along.
I think PC should open a travel agency based on prophecies recieved. What a guarantee of a peacefull destination.
 
I cannot accept what some of you say that there is no spirit. I know there is a spirit that appropriates the body of Ka Apaz who we call Ama. I have associated with her since 1983 and I would know if she was just faking it.

I asked this holy spirit point blank one time how I will know who the true Ama is ...


The Sign of Four

Do you see the problem with this approach?
 
How can someone be actually wishing for a global thermonuclear war? Its nonsense. Its madness.
What PC was wishing for is not moral.

He should be glad, happy, very happy for being wrong.

He's so deeply invested in being right that he'd apparently rather have millions suffer and die in a nuclear inferno than be wrong. That is certainly very messed up.

I think that's an important distinction: it's all about PC being right, not the 'Holy Spirit'.

When it's plain that the recent transcript shows he put words into the 'Holy Spirit's' mouth (has he yet acknowledged that he did so?) I can't help but wonder whether he's been doing that for years. Was it in fact PC who came up with the entire prediction and all he got from the old lady was a grunt of acquiescence?
 
Is it fair enough to say that the main difference between the only true God and the false gods is prophecy? The only true God can prophesy whereas the false gods cannot.

There is no evidence to support this notion.

There is evidence to support the idea that what the one true God and the false gods have in common is that neither of them exists.

Why won't you even consider this proposition?

Consider if I stood in a field, held my arms in the air and commanded Zeus to smite someone with a bolt of lightning and nothing happened. The most likely conclusion is not that I commanded the wrong deity to act, but that lightning bolts don't come from deities.
 
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My first and last experience of using the “Spirit of the Glass” aka “Ouija Board” was about 50 years ago. One of my two companions asked to stop it because she might suffer a heart attack. Why? Because the glass was moving fast even without us touching the glass. It only shows that there was a spirit in it. Whether the spirit was a good spirit or an evil spirit, I do not know.

So there is a spirit. The Qur’an was dictated to Mohammad by a spirit known as angel Jibreel, allegedly from Allah. Whether that is the true archangel Gabriel or not is another question.

If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?
 
The 39 Steps.


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My first and last experience of using the “Spirit of the Glass” aka “Ouija Board” was about 50 years ago.


My first experience of the "Spirit of the Glass" was called "Bundy Rum".

Unlike your spirit, mine still works.


One of my two companions asked to stop it because she might suffer a heart attack. Why? Because the glass was moving fast even without us touching the glass. It only shows that there was a spirit in it. Whether the spirit was a good spirit or an evil spirit, I do not know.


Kurdaitcha, no doubt about it.


So there is a spirit. The Qur’an was dictated to Mohammad by a spirit known as angel Jibreel, allegedly from Allah. Whether that is the true archangel Gabriel or not is another question.


It's just so hard to tell the difference between true archangels and false ones, isn't it? They should make the bad ones wear black hats or something.


If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?


The whole walking, talking and breathing thing is a bit of a giveaway.
 
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My first and last experience of using the “Spirit of the Glass” aka “Ouija Board” was about 50 years ago. One of my two companions asked to stop it because she might suffer a heart attack. Why? Because the glass was moving fast even without us touching the glass. It only shows that there was a spirit in it. Whether the spirit was a good spirit or an evil spirit, I do not know.
The ideomotor effect is especially easy to achieve with multiple people involved. No one is consciously pushing the planchette around, but a simple test is to see how much it moves if no one is touching it. If the spirits were moving the planchette, there should be no need for your hands to be on it.

Also communal reienforcement. (I'm sure you've already read the link I gave you earlier to an article on communal reienforcement, and I'm sure you will stop and read up on the ideomotor effect. It would be dishonest of you to continue making this argument from ignorance without taking the chance to remove such ignorance.)

Oh yeah--argument from ignorance (also called "the god of gaps") is a logical fallacy you've been exhibiting. You're basically saying that because you can't explain something any other way, your otherwise unsubstantiated explanation (a spirit did it) is somehow supported. It's problematical on two fronts: 1) we can explain everything you've observed, and 2)even if we couldn't, it doesn't support your hypothesis because ignorance is just ignorance and not evidence.

[ETA: Actually on three fronts. I explicate number 3 below: your "explanation" that a spirit did it is no explanation at all.]

I chose the example of lightning in my previous post for a reason. There was a time when humans didn't understand lightning. We were ignorant of its causes. We have minds that are hard wired to perceive agency and intention, so we said Zeus (or some other spirit) did it. Now, we know the causes of lightning, and people like you no longer point to it as evidence of the existence of spirits.

So there is a spirit.
Nope. There's still no evidence whatsoever to support the illogical notion that an entity with no physical extension can be the cause of physical effects.

It's obvious to me that you refuse to consider the possibility that spirits don't exist despite the evidence.

If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?
That's easy. A living person has functions that arise at multiple levels of the organizations of the physical matter it is composed of, which come from emergent properties at each level of organization. The top most levels (organ systems) of a living person keep all sort of homeostasis (pH level of the blood, body temperature, etc.) A dead person has lost the functionality of the organ systems, and will begin reaching entropy wrt pH level, body temperature, etc.

In fact, the explanation that a spirit is the difference is no explanation at all. How does the spirit (an entity with no matter, no physical energy--no material extension at all) affect a physical thing?

Saying a spirit is what makes a body alive is no different than saying you are ignorant of what makes a body alive.
 
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2, the number of bronze medals China has won thus far.

...If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?

The dead are dead, PC.
They are gone.

What does that have to do with the model community you've mentioned?
Is it still on the drawing-board or is it under construction?
 
Area 51

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My first and last experience of using the “Spirit of the Glass” aka “Ouija Board” was about 50 years ago. One of my two companions asked to stop it because she might suffer a heart attack. Why? Because the glass was moving fast even without us touching the glass. It only shows that there was a spirit in it. Whether the spirit was a good spirit or an evil spirit, I do not know.

People always claim they weren't pushing the Ouija pointer. But I bet a videotape would prove differently. When they do it unconsciously, it is called the ideomotor effect.

Other possibilities are that the tabletop was tilted. Or a deliberate hoaxer was using magnets. I'm sure there are many ways to cheat at Ouija, and until you have identified, tested and eliminated every single one of those natural possibilities, you are not entitled to even begin claiming there might be any "spirit."


So there is a spirit. The Qur’an was dictated to Mohammad by a spirit known as angel Jibreel, allegedly from Allah. Whether that is the true archangel Gabriel or not is another question.

If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?

I am pretty confident that the difference between the living and the dead is brain function, which requires no deity, spirit, soul, or other supernatural entity.

Riddle me this: How can you explain the difference between a living squirrel and a dead squirrel?

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He's so deeply invested in being right that he'd apparently rather have millions suffer and die in a nuclear inferno than be wrong. That is certainly very messed up.

I think that's an important distinction: it's all about PC being right, not the 'Holy Spirit'.

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Exactly.

It was and still is all about PC being correct.

Billions are alive and I am devastated because I was wrong.
Billions are dead and I rejoice, for I was right!

Selfish Crusader would be a better nickname. One of the few I can write without breaking the forums' rules.
 
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My first and last experience of using the “Spirit of the Glass” aka “Ouija Board” was about 50 years ago. One of my two companions asked to stop it because she might suffer a heart attack. Why? Because the glass was moving fast even without us touching the glass. It only shows that there was a spirit in it. Whether the spirit was a good spirit or an evil spirit, I do not know.

The ouija board effect comes from one's own brain. There are several books that you can read on the subject, and essentially, the messages can be anything you want them to be. I have tried it with reliable friends, and was interested in local history, so I asked questions about local history, and lo and behold, I got answers relating to local history. Although it was interesting and fun, no way did I, or anyone else attribute the effect to "spirits". It was the ideometer effect, and our creative brains making it all up. The glass was also subject to violent moves, but the energy was provided by our own muscles and nothing else. You are far too gullible for your own good if you think it was anything to do with "spirits".
So there is a spirit. The Qur’an was dictated to Mohammad by a spirit known as angel Jibreel, allegedly from Allah. Whether that is the true archangel Gabriel or not is another question.

So there is NOT a spirit. An angel supposedly visited Joseph Smith and told him to how to write the Book of Mormon. Recent documentary evidence and expert reserch has shown that Smith faked much of his "evidence". Do not believe anyone who says that it was a spirit that was talking.

If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?

Simple! Brain activity that can be measured and recorded for scrutiny. Brain activity is a consequence of an electro-chemical reaction within the neural system of the brain, not some kind of ethereal soul or spirit. Dead people do not possess any brain activity.

Why do you constantly keep asking the same old, rather easy to answer question?

You may as well ask what is the difference between a live battery and a dead battery? A live battery contains energy that can be used productively. A dead battery contains no energy, so it is useless.

The wrong answer would be that the live battery contains a spirit, and the dead one doesn't.
 
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6m 44.33s - new Olympic record in double sculls by the GB pair.

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My first and last experience of using the “Spirit of the Glass” aka “Ouija Board” was about 50 years ago. One of my two companions asked to stop it because she might suffer a heart attack. Why? Because the glass was moving fast even without us touching the glass. It only shows that there was a spirit in it. Whether the spirit was a good spirit or an evil spirit, I do not know.
Read up on the ideomotor effect, please. Don't live your life in thrall to ignorance, when explanations are available. The Ouija board is a game which relies on the ideomotor effect. This is easily shown by blindfolding the participants and shuffling the letters; all the messages you get after doing this are gibberish. The fascinating thing about the ideomotor effect is that people do not consciously realise they are influencing the movement of the glass or planchette, and yet they are.

So there is a spirit.
No, there really isn't.

The Qur’an was dictated to Mohammad by a spirit known as angel Jibreel, allegedly from Allah. Whether that is the true archangel Gabriel or not is another question.
I don't find it a productive use of my time to speculate about whether two closely related versions of the same basic fictional story has the same characters. Nor does this speculation have anything to do with Ouija boards or spirits.

If you deny the existence of spirit, how can you explain the difference between a living person and a dead person?
Quite simply, with the knowledge we have from the world of medicine. Natural processes explain life, and natural processes explain death. There is no need to invoke magical ideas at any stage of life or death, and there is no evidence of any spirits.

I implore you, Peace Crusader, to learn some more about the world around you and to stop inserting 'spirits' into anything you don't personally understand. There is such a wealth of information and knowledge at your immediate disposal just on the internet, as well as in books which you can borrow for free at a library.
 
I would like to apologize to all of you. I am deeply sorry. I will refrain from discussing prophecies anymore and be tight-lipped on this. I will reconsider my belief that the Holy Spirit who we are talking to is the true Holy Spirit and so is my belief that Ka Apaz’ physical body is appropriated by this spirit. As I used to say, if we were to believe in a god, we have to be sure that He is the only true God. As God, He must be omniscient. That means, He knows the past, the present, and the future.


Maybe I wrongly interpreted the prophecies. He said that the world war will originate from the Philippines back in 1980s in the middle of this year on a Wednesday and that the 2012 Olympic Games will not be held. I interpreted that the stop point was the Opening Ceremony of the Olympics on 07-27. The four Wednesdays under the sign of Cancer and the 07-25 Wednesday failed. All these events have come and gone.

The original text is in message 1944. How about if “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon” (“That will not be held”) means the 2012 Olympic Games will be completed on 08-12? That is the stop point. There are two Wednesdays during the Games – 08-01 and 08-08. There is still a problem at the South China Sea and there is a possibility that war would erupt there anytime because of the Philippines’ claim to the Spratly Islands and Scarborough Shoals. Just take care on these dates.


Liar.
 
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I acknowledged that I was wrong in interpreting the spirit’s prophecies that the world war that will originate from the Philippines on a Wednesday before the Opening Ceremony of the 2012 Olympic Games. If he is the true Holy Spirit, his prophecies will not fail. He said in message 1944 that “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon. Hindi matutuloy” (“That will not be held. It will not be held.”). “nga” may mean “really” like in “Oo nga” (“Yes, really”). I asked to know if he was referring to the London Games, “Yaong Olympic Games sa London?” (“The Olympic Games in London?”), to which he replied, “Oo” or “Yes”.

The stop point therefore is the Olympic Games in London. Since the war did not happen on any of the Wednesdays before the Opening Ceremony, it may be the Wednesday within, 08-01 or 08-08. I am just helping in the analysis. I am not moving my goal posts anymore. I was wrong in my interpretation. If he is really the true Holy Spirit and is omniscient, then we will see if it will really happen on 08-01 or 08-08. If it does not happen on 08-01 or 08-08, and the 2012 Olympic Games concluded on 08-12, then he is wrong. Therefore, he must not be the true Holy Spirit.

I was surprised when he said Wednesday. It reduced my speculation from 31 days to just four days under the sign of Cancer.

FYI, he is the one who said that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on 08-17 which I was able to prove to be true and correct. The year? 1 B.C. Not about A.D. 33 but 1 B.C. Jesus was 32 solar years old when He died, not 33 solar years. (http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm )
 
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