Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[JoeTheJuggler]

After your (singular) prophecies fail, you are going to face some major rethinking.

I bet he won't.

 

[SezMe]

What I meant is that he'll face the need but I am wholeheartedly in your camp that he will not be up to the task.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

What I meant is that he'll face the need but I am wholeheartedly in your camp that he will not be up to the task.

He'll definitely find a way not to face the logical ramifications of this failure. At most, he'll learn to be even more evasive and hedging the next time he makes such a claim.

Too bad, though. As you point out, there is an opportunity to learn a few things. (The absurdity of there being "conquerors" in a global nuclear war; the logical problem in claiming food will be contaminated by radiation for 3 days; the ridiculousness of the notion that a global nuclear war might have started but no one noticed; etc.)

 

[Marcus]

Le tour du monde en quatre-vingts jours

You are making the assumption that those who do not believe in God have turned away from God - that they used to believe and so could "come back". Like many people in the UK, I have been an atheist all my life, I've never believed in any gods. It's insulting of you to assume I could (or want to) come back to God, when I have never believed in your God or any other.

It gets even worse. many of the Believers here don't accept that there are people who really don't believe in supernatural beings. The "so called atheists" are merely mad at God, if they say He doesn't exist, they are of course pretending.

I don't know if PC is one of these though. I'd ask him, but he answers so few questions it hardly seems worth the trouble.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

It gets even worse. many of the Believers here don't accept that there are people who really don't believe in supernatural beings. The "so called atheists" are merely mad at God, if they say He doesn't exist, they are of course pretending.

I don't know if PC is one of these though. I'd ask him, but he answers so few questions it hardly seems worth the trouble.

I don't know about that specific question, but he is someone who seems unable or unwilling even to contemplate the possibility that "the one true God" doesn't exist. His reasoning pretty much all depends on taking the existence of such an existence as axiomatic. He won't even admit that it's a matter of belief, but claims it is knowledge.

 

[Marcus]

He'll definitely find a way not to face the logical ramifications of this failure. At most, he'll learn to be even more evasive and hedging the next time he makes such a claim.

You're probably right. By keeping the bar low though, merely insisting he honor his promise to abandon his belief that Ka Apaz has been channeling the Holy Spirit, we may see some mea culpa.

 

[Marcus]

I don't know about that specific question, but he is someone who seems unable or unwilling even to contemplate the possibility that "the one true God" doesn't exist. His reasoning pretty much all depends on taking the existence of such an existence as axiomatic. He won't even admit that it's a matter of belief, but claims it is knowledge.

I agree, he will never contemplate the possibility that God doesn't exist. There is always hope for a younger person, but as he is older, he will certainly nurse the fantasy for his remaining years.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

You're probably right. By keeping the bar low though, merely insisting he honor his promise to abandon his belief that Ka Apaz has been channeling the Holy Spirit, we may see some mea culpa.

Meh. His "I admit I was wrong" carries with it the continued assertion of unreasonable claims. For example, "I was wrong in how I interpreted the Holy Spirit's message".

[ETA: And at least one poster here wrongly thought he committed to admitting that the medium is bunk.]

In other words, he won't admit he was actually wrong.

 

[SezMe]

You're probably right. By keeping the bar low though, merely insisting he honor his promise to abandon his belief that Ka Apaz has been channeling the Holy Spirit, we may see some mea culpa.

I think he will only admit that she was channeling the wrong one. He has most certainly NOT said that he is going to give up Ka or his larger quest for the The Holy Spook.

 

[Drs_Res]

Attack of the 50 Ft. Woman

When you consider the highlighted parts of these quotes:

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@Marcus, #1488

Yes, Marcus, if the prophecies do not happen, not only will I stop believing in that spirit but also in Ka Apaz. When I asked the Holy Spirit before point-blank if He is the true Father (or Ama in Filipino), and not the Father who talks to someone in the town or the Father who talks to Aurora in the village where I lived in the Philippines, His reply to me was to scrutinize what He says and I will know who He is. That is why it took me eleven years (1983-1994) of doubt before I believed that He must be the true Father.

Although I believed that He is the true Father, five years later, in 1999, when we connected to the Internet, I checked if His revelations that Jesus Christ was born on May 23 and died on August 17 were true. Did you know that had I proved that they were wrong, I would have renounced my belief in Him and called Him a fraud? But both of them were true and correct which I found in 2004 and in 2006. Even after 2006, I still got proof from the Holy Bible itself substantiating what I found. You may find the results of my studies at http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm and http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

Now, I am putting my belief in Him in question again. If His prophecies of the nuclear world war does not occur on a Wednesday prior to the Opening Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympic Games in London and its cancellation as a result of this war, I will renounce my belief in Him and in Ka Apaz. There is only one Wednesday left, 07-18. And the Games is nearing to be opened on 07-27. My faith in Him though remains steadfast. But we will see. It is only a few days left. I know that He is never late.

So my suggestion to you, Marcus and others, change your wrong beliefs now and repent. One can only be saved by his belief in the only true God and deeds, and not by his religious affiliation or anything else.

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@Marcus, #1641

If the prophecies fail, I said that I will not believe in both Ka Apaz and the Holy Spirit. There are spirits – good or bad. They are good if they come from the only true God or if He is the only true God Himself. They are bad or evil spirit if they come from false gods or if they are false gods themselves.

When the Holy Spirit appropriates the physical body of Ka Apaz, the spirit of Ka Apaz leaves her body (that is why it falls if standing up in front of the altar) and the Holy Spirit takes over. They are two different entities. They have different voices, different mannerism, different wisdom.

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@gambling cruiser, #1795

I am sure that the Holy Spirit appropriated the physical body of the blind old woman Ka Apaz. They are two entities. They have different voice, different mannerism, different wisdom. One may mimic the voice of a person but will he know everything that the mimicked person knows. For example, someone can mimic the way that the former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos talks. But does the mimicker able to know law? Or about things that the mimicked person knows, like a brain surgeon, a mathematician, an astronomer?

The spirit did not say that I believed Him when I asked the question point-blank if He is the true Father (“Ama” or God the Father), and not the one who calls himself Father in the town or the one in the village where we lived in the Philippines. His answer was just scrutinize what He says and I will know who He is. If His prophecies, that the war will occur on a Wednesday in the middle of the year and the 2012 Olympic Games is not held, fail, then I will reconsider my belief in Him. Most likely, I will just pick out what I think is logically correct in what He says (especially those that agree with what is written in the Holy Bible) and do away with prophecies. But I will not totally ignore Him or Ka Apaz.

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@George152, #2015

Yes, George152, 07-25, that last Wednesday before the official opening of the planned 2012 Olympic Games on 07-27, is a few days away. I am not going to run away. If the prophecies were wrong, then I would admit that I was wrong and will consider the Holy Spirit that we (plural) talk to is a fraud, an impostor.
How about you? What will you do if the prophecies proved to be correct?

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@Agatha, #2126

We will wait and see what happens on Wednesday, 2012-07-25. I am removing my own interpretation of the prophecies of the Holy Spirit. It is up to you to make your own decision. If you think that the 2012 Olympic Games in London will be held as planned, that is up to you. If you hang on believing that there is no God, that is your decision.

What if the prophesied World War III happens this Wednesday? What do you think will the athletes in London do? Remember that the prophecy is specific. WWIII will start from the Philippines, and not from the Middle East or elsewhere, and on a Wednesday before the 2012 Olympic Games.

You keep saying that Ka Apaz is a “medium” putting on an act and talking as if she is the Holy Spirit. You have to experience what I experienced. I doubted for eleven years (1983-1994) that the spirit is the spirit of Jesus Christ. Please read http://aristean.org/wp113.htm titled “From doubt to belief”.

Ka Apaz, I believe, is one of the two women referred to in the Holy Bible. Matthew 24:41 states, “Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” This is similar to Luke 17:35. The one taken up to Heaven by Jesus is the Blessed Virgin Mary when she died, I think, aged 72. The other left is Ka Apaz who first assumed the physical body of an Egyptian princess named Reneliniyindi. When Reneliniyindi died, the spirit transferred to another physical body, and so on. Now, that spirit is in the physical body of Ka Apaz.

I think you are right.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Attack of the 50 Ft. Woman

When you consider the highlighted parts of these quotes:

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I think you are right.

PC is certainly consistent in his inconsistence. Nice job on finding all of those statements--illustrates the point very well.

 

[Marcus]

Meh. His "I admit I was wrong" carries with it the continued assertion of unreasonable claims. For example, "I was wrong in how I interpreted the Holy Spirit's message".

[ETA: And at least one poster here wrongly thought he committed to admitting that the medium is bunk.]

In other words, he won't admit he was actually wrong.

I think he will only admit that she was channeling the wrong one. He has most certainly NOT said that he is going to give up Ka or his larger quest for the The Holy Spook.

Attack of the 50 Ft. Woman

When you consider the highlighted parts of these quotes:


Vs. the quotes below:

I think you are right.

My best guess is also that he will say that Ka Apaz has of course been channeling some spirit, but not the Holy Spirit, so sorry, my bad.

We did try to get him to admit that channeling is bunk, at least after the Olympics start, but the woo is strong in this one.

 

[Robrob]

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@Akuma Tennou, #2086

Two-thirds of mankind will die and only one-third will remain. Not all this two-thirds will die in the nuclear holocaust. The survivors will still be interrogated by the conquerors. If they are old and disabled, they die. If they say that they believe in God, they die. You may hear the Holy Spirit mentioned that only one-third will remain at http://aristean.org/c07a-pah1.mp3 and its transcript at http://aristean.org/transcript046.htm .

For your benefit and for those who do not know the Filipino language, here is the translation to English:
Ama: Only one-third of the world will remain. Of that one-third, a few will come from you [the listeners]. You heed what your parent prohibits. There is a need for you to heed the prohibition of your parent to remove (?) in you.
Anita Perez: Ama, is that one-third for the whole world?
Ama: Yes.

Please be sure to check back here next week and apologize.

 

[Malfie Henpox]

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The really troubling thought is that these people might actually get themselves into a position where they can instigate these detestable fantasies of genocide.

 

[FG10]

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I'm looking forward to the opening event of London 2012 on Wednesday night, not because GB are playing NZ in women's football at Cardiff Millennium Stadium, but because we can put an end to this tragedy of a thread once and for all!

The biggest tragedy is, however, the amount of time PC has wasted on this ridiculous and hopeless endeavour, that could have been better directed towards understanding that life is for living - not searching for pots of gold at the end of the rainbow!

 

[Stomatopoda]

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because we can put an end to this tragedy of a thread once and for all!

Ah, I miss the days of having such optimism.

 

[Mojo]

The Holy Spirit said that there will be those who will believe and there are those who will continue with their unbelief.

Quarter to Twelve

Well, that should cover everyone, but because of that it isn't really much of a prophecy.

 

[Akhenaten]

Quarter to Twelve

Well, that should cover everyone, but because of that it isn't really much of a prophecy.

101 Dalmations.


I wonder if the Holy Spirit™ has figured what out the believer/unbeliever ratio in the projected surviving third of humanity will be.

It seems to me that it's mainly Christian strongholds which are going to be involved in the opening phases of the war and what believers remain will surely soon be mopped up by the Army of the 200,000,000.

 

[pakeha]

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

...
I do not exactly remember why I chose JREF forum but I had experienced before being in this forum when I talked about the one million dollar challenge five years ago. ...

This is true.
Back in 2007, here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73877

PC, I really like the idea of that tranquil small town life you've described here as a post-WWIII future. How can I ensure this for me and my family?

 

[Explorer]

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea



This is true.
Back in 2007, here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73877

PC, I really like the idea of that tranquil small town life you've described here as a post-WWIII future. How can I ensure this for me and my family?

It seems that PC is a glutton for punishment.

The 19 predictions of his Holy Spirit that were linked, were mainly vague, stating the obvious, and resulted a sprinkling of total failures. I think any one of us on here could have come up with nineteen more specific and braver predictions, and get at least two or three right.

Out of his current two claims, the first one failed last Wednesday(ignoring the movement of the goalposts to this Wednesday), and we have only five days left for the next one to fail.

To invest the time and money into a website promoting and advertising your failures seems a bit daft, and quite frankly PC, after Friday's games go ahead, I suggest that you re-vamp your raison d'etre, and start applying your superstitions in a more tangible and practical way, by selling say, magic crystals and trinkets etc, to the gullible. At least it would supplement your poor income.