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Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

DC said:
i don0t know, in German there is no specific name for it, there is in english?
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Appeal to ignorance isn't a very convincing excuse.

Let's call a spade a spade and call it a dictatorship, shall we? In German, Diktatur.

McHrozni
 
Ziggurat said:
And China is simply too big to go into debt because nobody is going to lend them enough money to make that strategy work. Plus they're a party dictatorship, not an individual dictator, which changes incentives.
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China did pull off a similar stunt in 1950s, the 'Great leap forward'. Granted, the structure of the failure was different and not a result of lending, but it still destroyed the economy without endangering the power of the Party.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Appeal to ignorance isn't a very convincing excuse.

Let's call a spade a spade and call it a dictatorship, shall we? In German, Diktatur.

McHrozni
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wel its not a Dictatorhsip, why sould i call it something that it is not?
 
McHrozni said:
You're apparently using a definition of "freedom of press" that markedly differs from all other known to man. It could be a special type of cheesecake for all I know.

Please tell us what 'level' of freedom of press can you have when journalists are prosecuted for reporting?

McHrozni
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look , its not a black and white issue.
 
DC said:
wel its not a Dictatorhsip, why sould i call it something that it is not?
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Really? It's not a dictatorship? Why does it violate freedom of the press based on political stance, then?

McHrozni
 
DC said:
look , its not a black and white issue.
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Persecuting journalists that give favorable coverage to opposition is black and white issue. Essentially they're saying those journalists are criminals, and you're claiming such country is a democracy. Based on what, exactly?

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Really? It's not a dictatorship? Why does it violate freedom of the press based on political stance, then?

McHrozni
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yes its not a dictatorship. not even Virus's source, the econimist, calls it a disctatorship.
 
McHrozni said:
Persecuting journalists that give favorable coverage to opposition is black and white issue. Essentially they're saying those journalists are criminals, and you're claiming such country is a democracy. Based on what, exactly?

McHrozni
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its a democracy with a big problem in freedom of press and other issues. but there is press critical of chavez, and there are elections.
 
McHrozni said:
It would have to change it's name to Colombia, Russia or Mexico? Why is that a requirement for a dictatorship?

McHrozni
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well according to you, limited freedom of press is the requirement for a dictatorship, making Colombia and Mexico a Dictatorship.
well i didn't know you call those countries Dictatorships.
 
DC said:
its a democracy with a big problem in freedom of press and other issues. but there is press critical of chavez, and there are elections.
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There are also elections in North Korea, and they don't make it a democracy or a republic. Elections are essential for a democracy, but not all elections are relevant. Venezuelan elections can't be free and fair due to the "big problem in freedom of the press" alone, let alone other accusations.

Do you have a different reason why it would be a democracy? Say, demonstrate it has a functional independent judiciary. It is an essential element of democracy, if you can prove it I'll admit it's still a flawed democracy.

McHrozni
 
DC said:
well according to you, limited freedom of press is the requirement for a dictatorship, making Colombia and Mexico a Dictatorship.
well i didn't know you call those countries Dictatorships.
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They're hybrid regimes on a good road to dictatorship. It's not a black or white issue (which you apparently understood earlier), and Colombia and Mexico both fail several democratic tests. Venezuela fails even more however.

Russia, on the other hand, is a dictatorship.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
There are also elections in North Korea, and they don't make it a democracy or a republic. Elections are essential for a democracy, but not all elections are relevant. Venezuelan elections can't be free and fair due to the "big problem in freedom of the press" alone, let alone other accusations.

Do you have a different reason why it would be a democracy? Say, demonstrate it has a functional independent judiciary. It is an essential element of democracy, if you can prove it I'll admit it's still a flawed democracy.

McHrozni
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so you ae of the opinion that Colombia and Mexico are Dictatorhsips. How about Irak, did they make it to a Democracy already?
 
McHrozni said:
They're hybrid regimes on a good road to dictatorship. It's not a black or white issue (which you apparently understood earlier), and Colombia and Mexico both fail several democratic tests. Venezuela fails even more however.

Russia, on the other hand, is a dictatorship.

McHrozni
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well both Colombia and Mexico fail more in regard to freedom of press as Venezuela does.
 
DC said:
so you ae of the opinion that Colombia and Mexico are Dictatorhsips. How about Irak, did they make it to a Democracy already?
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How about you stop trying to change the subject and resort to straw man arguments and divert attention and stick to the subject, namely Venezuela is a dictatorship. You can prove me wrong, show me that it has an independent judiciary. It's a major element of a democracy, as important as free and fair elections. You already agreed that a judge was jailed for political reasons, so it's entirely up to you to show why it's not a dictatorship.

McHrozni
 
DC said:
well both Colombia and Mexico fail more in regard to freedom of press as Venezuela does.
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Both are also graded better overall than Venezuela on the source you used, so you can shut up about them :)
We aren't trying to make a list of all dictatorships, but merely debating Venezuela.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
How about you stop trying to change the subject and resort to straw man arguments and divert attention and stick to the subject, namely Venezuela is a dictatorship. You can prove me wrong, show me that it has an independent judiciary. It's a major element of a democracy, as important as free and fair elections. You already agreed that a judge was jailed for political reasons, so it's entirely up to you to show why it's not a dictatorship.

McHrozni
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yeah i noticed your move of goalpost but i ignore them.
you called Venezuela a dictatorship do to a lack of freedom of press, now that you realize what a dumb claim it was you moved the goalposts. very telling :D
 
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McHrozni said:
Both are also graded better overall than Venezuela on the source you used, so you can shut up about them :)
We aren't trying to make a list of all dictatorships, but merely debating Venezuela.

McHrozni
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and i am of the opinion that Venezuela is not a Dictatorship. what source do you think i used? i used the freedom of Press index.
 
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