Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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What programs did they use to:

a) Process the raw video data ? (deinterlace)

b) Extract the motion data ?

c) Translate the pixel unit motion data into real world units (px->ft) ?

d) Derive velocity and acceleration ?
I don't know. Do you think the "experts" at NIST don't know what program to use or how to use it?

This is high school physics. Why are you having so much difficulty understanding it?
 
Depends what angle you look from
Looking at an angle gave a false reading of downward motion in "Stage 1". It was partly inward motion.

Flexure of the North facade was quite complex, and to make correct statements you must look at multiple angles.
No, it is best to look straight on.

And most importantly...it did not go from static straight to "FFA" in the slightest. It took time to accelerate. About a second.
NO! That much Chandler documented, your denial notwithstanding.

Correct. I used a program designed to track extremely fine motion (although it does indeed show velocity in pixel units, which could be calibrated via setup of a coordinate system...in 3D :) That inclusion is, however, intended to help de-glitch traces rather than anything else, and it won't "smooth" ). Translation to real-world units, and derivation of velocity and acceleration was performed separately, as I've already said earlier.
Whatever you did you got the wrong results. It is impossible for the entire upper portion to fall at greater than FFA. The spot NIST chose was connected to the rest of the upper part of the building and could not fall at a different rate..

NIST and Chandler agree. You have no standing.
 
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By "velocity curve" do you mean that meaningless curved line that does not follow the dots?
You need to listen carefully.

The text you are critiquing is from your NIST quote.

By "velocity curve" NIST meant the shape of the datapoints in their derived velocity profile...

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The "dots" as you call them, form a curve. Forget the straight line. Forget the solid curved line. The datapoints themselves form a varying curve.

By "The slope of the velocity curve is approximately constant" NIST mean just that, that for a part of the time the points can be said to form a slope which is approximately constant. It's not constant. It's approximately constant, with the resoluton and fidelity of the data they had available.

The "meaningless curved line that does not follow the dots" is the NIST derived velocity profile fit. In the same way that the linear fit (the straight line) does not "follow the dots" exactly, neither does the derived velocity curve, given by NIST as...

v(t) = 247.52(0.18562t)2.5126exp[-(0.18562t)3.5126]

They are talking about the curved line.
Whether from the datapoits or curve fit makes no difference. Both are "approximately constant" for a whie. Again, not constant, approximately constant. Therefore any derived acceleration is also approximate during the region of interest.

The data points are not perfect because they are taken from a video
Correct.

but the average gives the actual acceleration - FFA.
Incorrect. Average, approximate acceleration.

You cannot avoid this.

NIST said it was free fall.
NIST say their estimation of approximate and average acceleration is equivalent to the acceleration of gravity during that period.

The bolded words are important.

The words are from NIST themselves.

Language is not independant of local context.

You just refuse to accept that.
I accept that NIST said what I wrote above. NIST say quite a lot of daft and lazy things. In this instance what they say is relatively clear. It's based on shoddy data, but NIST say their estimation of approximate and average acceleration is equivalent to the acceleration of gravity during that period.

the entire upper portion falls as a single unit.
"A single unit" is terminology that you will find meets resistance. There are thousands of interconnected elements which make up the "upper portion", and there's all sorts of flexure. In essence the upper portion of the North facade descended as a unit, sure.
 
I don't know.
Then why would you write...
To take the word of an anonymous poster over professionals from opposing sides who used the correct software is folly.
...and...
Both NIST and Chandler used software designed for this specific purpose because they know what they are doing.
...?

And you don't know what they used ?!

I've written it down in this ridiculous thread son. Hells bells.

Do you think the "experts" at NIST don't know what program to use or how to use it?
I know what tools they used, and how they used them. They say such.

Would you like me to tell you, or would you rather continue to spout nonsense such as "NIST and Chandler used software designed for this specific purpose" whilst admitting you "don't know" what they used ?!

This is high school physics.
It's basic English comprehension.

Why are you having so much difficulty understanding it?
I'm not.

NIST's graph does not show WTC 7 falling at greater than FFA. They said their graph shows FFA. The "faster than FFA" interpretation is made by people who don't understand how to interpret the data.
Think about the bolded section, seriously.
 
Looking at an angle gave a false reading of downward motion in "Stage 1". It was partly inward motion.
No. Looking from only one angle gave a false reading.

No, it is best to look straight on.
No. To measure 3D-motion in 2D-imagery, it is best to look from more than one angle.

NO! That much Chandler documented, your denial notwithstanding.
No. He numerically forced acceleration to change instantly by his choice of intervals to do averages over. This was either deliberate fraud, or (more likely) incompetent worksmanship.

Whatever you did you got the wrong results.
Assuming the conclusion logical fallacy

It is impossible for the entire upper portion to fall at greater than FFA.
No.

The spot NIST chose was connected to the rest of the upper part of the building and could not fall at a different rate..
False. The assembly is not totally stiff, and it could rotate.

NIST and Chandler agree. You have no standing.
His standing is derived from careful application of suoperior methods, your handwaving and incredulity notwithstanding.



Gosh, C7, if you are missing your arse: It's that thing that's constantly being handed to you on a silver platter! Dontcha recognize it??
 
You need to listen carefully.

Unfortunately, that is the fatal error in your post. Otherwise, it is spot on. Once one realizes that acceleration greater than g is possible, it should be obvious that there is no way to demonstrate from the NIST data that acceleration was constant over that period. Of course that should be obvious regardless. C7, do you insist that Chandler proved that WTC 1 descended at a constant rate of acceleration over some time period, or does this argument only apply to WTC 7?
 
Looking at an angle gave a false reading of downward motion in "Stage 1". It was partly inward motion.
Correct. Similarly, motion seen from other angles requires careful analysis before making claims about it.

No, it is best to look straight on.
There is no "straight on" video. Dan Rather is the most "straight on" but it's still a necessity to interpret motion correctly by comparing different viewpoints.

NO! That much Chandler documented, your denial notwithstanding.
LOL. A very stupid thing to say. Why don't you ask David yourself ? I'll ask him for a few words on the subject if you like :)

You're so blinkered it's quite funny.

Enjoy. Tried to help you, again, but...pfft.
 
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Unfortunately, that is the fatal error in your post. Otherwise, it is spot on. Once one realizes that acceleration greater than g is possible, it should be obvious that there is no way to demonstrate from the NIST data that acceleration was constant over that period. ...

A few posts back, C7 pointed out that the dots in the NIST graph are not on the straight line fit, and insists at the same time that the data shows "FFA" over the entire interval. If the former point is meant to imply that in reality, the acceleration wasn't constant over the time interval, and the latter implies that in reality, the acceleration was at g on average, then C7's two arguments, taken together, absolutely require periods of over-g within this time interval.

C7, do you agree with the two premises (marked red and blue) and what they imply? Do you agree with the conclusion (purple)? Or would you rather reject one or two of the premises? On what grounds then?
 
A few posts back, C7 pointed out that the dots in the NIST graph are not on the straight line fit, and insists at the same time that the data shows "FFA" over the entire interval.
So does NIST.

If the former point is meant to imply that in reality, the acceleration wasn't constant over the time interval
No, the dots were taken from a video and are not exact so an average of the dots it used. [by reasonable people]

and the latter implies that in reality, the acceleration was at g on average
No, the imperfect dots were averaged. The result is FFA.
 
A few posts back, C7 pointed out that the dots in the NIST graph are not on the straight line fit, and insists at the same time that the data shows "FFA" over the entire interval. If the former point is meant to imply that in reality, the acceleration wasn't constant over the time interval, and the latter implies that in reality, the acceleration was at g on average, then C7's two arguments, taken together, absolutely require periods of over-g within this time interval.

C7, do you agree with the two premises (marked red and blue) and what they imply? Do you agree with the conclusion (purple)? Or would you rather reject one or two of the premises? On what grounds then?

Not to speak for C7, but I think he has been explicit that in his view, although NIST's data points are measured with error, the actual acceleration was constant (over that period). That is why I am trying to focus on the question of how he thinks he knows that the acceleration was constant -- and whether he would reach the same conclusion if the average didn't happen to be very close to g.
 
Not to speak for C7, but I think he has been explicit that in his view, although NIST's data points are measured with error, the actual acceleration was constant (over that period). That is why I am trying to focus on the question of how he thinks he knows that the acceleration was constant -- and whether he would reach the same conclusion if the average didn't happen to be very close to g.
I did not conclude that the analysis confirmed FFA, NIST did.
Your question is moot.
 
Not to speak for C7, but I think he has been explicit that in his view, although NIST's data points are measured with error, the actual acceleration was constant (over that period). That is why I am trying to focus on the question of how he thinks he knows that the acceleration was constant -- and whether he would reach the same conclusion if the average didn't happen to be very close to g.

Hm what then about David Chandlers data points - were they measured with error as well? (Answer should be obvious)

Question is then: How much error is there? And can this error margin be reduced, perhaps, by using superior methods?

If not, then your question (how he thinks he knows that the acceleration was constant) becomes relevant.


Either way, C7 is screwed, and he should accept his arse from the silver platter before it starts rotting ;)
 
I did not conclude that the analysis confirmed FFA, NIST did.
Your question is moot.

FALSE.

As your arse on a silver platter has been schooled earlier today:
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Incorrect. Average, approximate acceleration.

You cannot avoid this.


NIST say their estimation of approximate and average acceleration is equivalent to the acceleration of gravity during that period.

The bolded words are important.

The words are from NIST themselves.

Language is not independant of local context.
...

You really need to start taking heed, avoid making the false claim that "NIST confirmed [or even "admitted"] FAA".
 
Christopher7,

A last-ditch attempt at getting you to see reason...


A car is travelling along a perfectly straight road, in a perfectly straight line.

We know EXACTLY how fast it is going (its velocity) at any point in time.

We measure its velocity at three instants...

Time, t (s) | Velocity (m/s)
0 | 5
10 | 15
20 | 20

1) From this data do we KNOW what the velocity was at time t=5 ?

2) What is the average acceleration between t=0 and t=10 ?

3) What is the average acceleration between t=0 and t=20 ?

4) Are the answers for (2) and (3) the same ?
 
Christopher7,

A last-ditch attempt at getting you to see reason...
Please :rolleyes:

You are just trying to deny FFA. The denoir choir loves it and you may fool fools with it, but this crap about greater than g is just silliness.
 
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