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Expelled from college for watching "Glee"

So instead you attended the Fordham University College of Knowledge?

No, though I matriculated once at City University, North Towson (Maryland).


Now, I did get a grant to do some grant work a few years back overseas - the Arabian Regional Scientific Enclave - O'ille needed a good Clinic. We brought in an NMA team, got rid of the blockage ending with a purge of some old farts that were trying to cling on to their positions. Highly paid that wipe up was........
 
Kid elects to go to wacky university with stupid regulations and then is suprised when wacky university enforces stupid regulations.
 
But, then, we just found out yesterday that one of my wife's ex-students is involved with drone missles.....
 
Kid elects to go to wacky university with stupid regulations and then is suprised when wacky university enforces stupid regulations.

It's not the enforcement of the regulations - it's the attempt by the administration to target a kid who (rightfully) went after a board member and then spoke out about sexual abuse on campus.

However wacky or sane their regulations, using them to single out a student in this way is unjustified.
 
I loved Glee for two seasons. Then the soap opera drama just got too much for me. But I loved the musical numbers. The lesbian cheer leaders didn't hurt either.

I feel for Santanna. I don't think Britney's really all that into her. But she wasn't really into Artie, either.

It seems to have halfway jumped the shark, doing lesser songs and some Glee-originals that just don't have the catchy nostalgia/oldies thing.
 
What planet is America on? Oh wait, the same one as contains the Taliban and Afghanistan. Soulmates, or what?

Rolfe.
My thoughts exactly.

I watched the first two series of Glee with my teenaged kids and it sparked off a lot of conversations and discussions about some of the issues raised in the show. However, it's just entertainment.

I can't wrap my head around any educational institution in the developed world trying to prohibit young adults (in their own time and off-campus) from watching a mainstream, primetime television show.
 
Dude, I think you have missed the point completely.

Indeed. A television show designed to entertain can also provide a basis for discussion of complex issues. In the case of Glee, the sexual escapades of the characters have in just about every instance led to pain and regret for those characters. That's what my kids are picking up, and as a family we'll sometimes talk about this stuff too. Sex is not to be used for manipulation, for revenge, for emotional blackmail, etc. Sex is serious business.

Here's what my parents told my siblings and I about sex:



The reason there's nothing there is because my parents could not bring themselves to use the word "sex" in our presence. It was understood that having sex was a one-way ticket to hell and eternal shame on our family, but it was never spoken of.

In contrast, my kids are getting a much more realistic education about sex. We've been clear with them that we don't want them engaging in sexual acts until they're old enough to deal with potential consequences. They know that if they ever decide to go against our wishes and have sex that we can't stop them from doing so, and that they dang well better use protection. They also know that sometimes people will show interest in having sex with them for reasons other than love and commitment. These are some pretty complicated issues for pre-teens - or anybody really - and Glee has, in part, opened the door to some of these conversations with our kids. It's not that we turn the TV on and tell our kids to do what the Glee kids do, it's that Glee has provided an impetus for us to talk to them about things we otherwise might not.

That said - yes, the shark was jumped shortly after Rory showed up (not his fault).
 
Here's what my parents told my siblings and I about sex:

I haven't watched Glee much lately or anything, but I think any parent would be helped significantly if they were to see Kurt's dad "sex talk" that he had with Kurt. That gave me the chills, and I can only hope that I can someday do something halfway as powerful as that with my kids.
 
You know in my numerous readings of the Bible I have yet to find the verse that says "Go now and force all people to follow these rules" yet from the way it seems a lot if not most of the conservative christians out there behave, you'd think it was in there somewhere.

It is stunningly amazing to me that so many people don't seem to realise that Christianity is about getting your life right with God, not trying to do it with everyone else's, and that you simily can't force it onto anyone else. What is even more stunning to me is that those same people seem to be so willing to try to do just that.


New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit



Seems plain to me.
 
Indeed. A television show designed to entertain can also provide a basis for discussion of complex issues. In the case of Glee, the sexual escapades of the characters have in just about every instance led to pain and regret for those characters. That's what my kids are picking up, and as a family we'll sometimes talk about this stuff too. Sex is not to be used for manipulation, for revenge, for emotional blackmail, etc. Sex is serious business.

Here's what my parents told my siblings and I about sex:



The reason there's nothing there is because my parents could not bring themselves to use the word "sex" in our presence. It was understood that having sex was a one-way ticket to hell and eternal shame on our family, but it was never spoken of.

In contrast, my kids are getting a much more realistic education about sex. We've been clear with them that we don't want them engaging in sexual acts until they're old enough to deal with potential consequences. They know that if they ever decide to go against our wishes and have sex that we can't stop them from doing so, and that they dang well better use protection. They also know that sometimes people will show interest in having sex with them for reasons other than love and commitment. These are some pretty complicated issues for pre-teens - or anybody really - and Glee has, in part, opened the door to some of these conversations with our kids. It's not that we turn the TV on and tell our kids to do what the Glee kids do, it's that Glee has provided an impetus for us to talk to them about things we otherwise might not.

That said - yes, the shark was jumped shortly after Rory showed up (not his fault).

Alright, that's a much more reasonable and sadly rare use of the medium than I was willing to consider.

I'm still going to criticize the show for it's broken Aesops and for the storytelling techniques that leave some actions acceptable for the good guys while being used as evidence of villainy in the bad guys. I can guarantee that people take exactly the wrong message from such story lines as I've heard them do so. That's not the most fair criticism because people can and will take everything wrong. Black and grey morality often causes such misunderstandings, but in a show as goddamn goofy and lighthearted as Glee, it feels shady.

Here is what I mean, I don't watch the show but let me guess how the trying to trick the boyfriend into believing he was the baby daddy worked out. The girl feels guilty about the cheating (she should) but not enough to come clean. Eventually something forces the information to come out against her wishes. It's either the guy she cheated with (while refusing to have sex with her boyfriend!) comes forward or one of the people helping her keep that secret comes forward. Or the guy realizes that he couldn't be the father without sex (I'm still confused on they are pulling this over on him, is he retarded?). Either way it is played as a betrayal of the cheating heroine. The boyfriend is destroyed and leaves her, but he's played as somewhat of a jerk for not being 'understanding' of her 'plight' as a pregnant teen. The actual baby daddy is probably useless, and won't be of help with the child so the boyfriend leaving is seen as a 'punishment' and problem for the heroine. She'll lose no friends besides her boyfriend over this. Was she punished for her cheating? Eventually she lost her boyfriend and she of course has to deal with the consequences of unprotected sex by having a child that she now has to raise by herself. But she doesn't have any consequences of attempting to defraud a young man into suffering the consequences of actions he did not take or even get the pleasure of having experienced. Outside of the relationship storyline, remorse will not be shown and things will move on like normal, status quo is king, with the ex boyfriend either being a friend again or become a villain for some contrived and out of character reason. Now this is wrong of course, as I don't actually watch the show, but I'd bet it's some variation of it. I've watched wrestling after all.

How many teens do such a deconstruction? I'd hope more than a few. All media of expression can inform our understanding of and work through problems in reality. It's an annoyance for me, and I'm of course reading too much into things. Just one of those things that gets to me.

None of this justifies what the college did. It's a derail on the nature of such shows.
 
Indeed. A television show designed to entertain can also provide a basis for discussion of complex issues. In the case of Glee, the sexual escapades of the characters have in just about every instance led to pain and regret for those characters. That's what my kids are picking up, and as a family we'll sometimes talk about this stuff too. Sex is not to be used for manipulation, for revenge, for emotional blackmail, etc. Sex is serious business.

Here's what my parents told my siblings and I about sex:
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I got more than that. My dad told me to talk to the coach.
 
I feel for Santanna. I don't think Britney's really all that into her. But she wasn't really into Artie, either.
Exactly.

It seems to have halfway jumped the shark, doing lesser songs and some Glee-originals that just don't have the catchy nostalgia/oldies thing.
Agreed.
 
This case is telling. These religious conservatives claim their religion is the vanguard of freedom in the West. Yet, when they actually get power to shape something the way they want, it ends up looking like a totalitarian police state.

Yup, and their candidate is running for president. *barfs*
 
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit



Seems plain to me.

Really? Perhaps you need to actually read it again. Where does it say "force" people to become disciples? Opps, it doesn't. In fact the word "make" isn't even in the original Greek, which literally says "disciple all the nations". "Make" was added to it in the English to help people understand it better.

So the question then becomes, how does one disciple someone? The answer is pretty easy, we find it in Chapter 10 of the same book.

[url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+10&version=NIV]Matthew 10:5-8[/url] said:
5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

The whole of Chapter 10 is about this, and after verse 8 much of what is said seems to relate far more to what will happen after Jesus' death that their time in Israel. Nothing in Chapter 10 says that they are to force people to become disciples, nor does any other verse anywhere else. It's made quite clear that the way to "make disciples" is to preach the good news, not to enforce rules and regulations and make everyone follow them.
 
Really? Perhaps you need to actually read it again. Where does it say "force" people to become disciples? Opps, it doesn't. In fact the word "make" isn't even in the original Greek, which literally says "disciple all the nations". "Make" was added to it in the English to help people understand it better.

What about the rules in Leviticus that say you have to execute homosexuals?
 
What about the rules in Leviticus that say you have to execute homosexuals?

If you have a tribe of Israelites who are living under the Mosic Law, then I expect they'd try it, just as many Islamic countries living under Sharia Law do today. The Gentile Church is not under Mosic Law though, so...
 

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