Expelled from college for watching "Glee"

[tomwaits]

The Gentile Church is not under Mosic Law though, so...

Oh? Jesus seemed to think the Law applied to him and his followers, and many of the early Christians thought so too. See Bart Ehrman's writings for more elaboration on this topic.

My point is that you are putting your own interpretation of the Bible and claiming that it is the "real" one, just like people have been doing for thousands of years. All the way from Paul of Tarsus to the folks at BJU people have been putting their own spin on the text, which reflects their own cultural background and values. It's no different than looking at the writings of Nostradamus and claiming that "this is what he was predicting!" The Bible is all just a haphazard collection of ambiguous texts that contradict each other.

 

[The Dark Lord]

Altogether now: "...land of the freeeee.....a-and home of the braaaaave"

Yeah religious whackos are free to start schools with stupid rules based on their whacked out religion and people are free to go to those schools. What is your point?

 

[RandFan]

If you have a tribe of Israelites who are living under the Mosic Law, then I expect they'd try it, just as many Islamic countries living under Sharia Law do today. The Gentile Church is not under Mosic Law though, so...

Aren't the 10 commandments part of the Mosaic law? I've read the tortured apologetics and I'm aware that in 2,000 years a narrative has sprung up to account for the contradictions.

 

[luchog]

Oh? Jesus seemed to think the Law applied to him and his followers, and many of the early Christians thought so too. See Bart Ehrman's writings for more elaboration on this topic.

Sorry, but this has been refuted more times than I can count; with the main comment that the argument is based on taken far out of context. Not going to go into the full argument, but the upshot is that people are still subject to the Law, and its penalties; but they are not bound to follow the precepts of the Law as the Israelis were, because the Law was superceded by the arrival and sacrifice of the Moshiach. This was made explicit in the answer Jesus gave when asked about the greatest commandment, ie. love G-D with all your being, and love your neighbor as yourself, in this is contained all the Law and Prophets. There are numerous instances of even some of the Twelve being chastised for preaching the Law, instead of the Gospel.

 

[RandFan]

Sorry, but this has been refuted more times than I can count; with the main comment that the argument is based on taken far out of context. Not going to go into the full argument, but the upshot is that people are still subject to the Law, and its penalties; but they are not bound to follow the precepts of the Law as the Israelis were, because the Law was superceded by the arrival and sacrifice of the Moshiach. This was made explicit in the answer Jesus gave when asked about the greatest commandment, ie. love G-D with all your being, and love your neighbor as yourself, in this is contained all the Law and Prophets. There are numerous instances of even some of the Twelve being chastised for preaching the Law, instead of the Gospel.

I find the refutation ad hoc. It's a plausible explanation but it hardly addresses the myriad contradictions. Jesus could have easily said that the one need not follow cultural and ceremonial laws but moral laws (laws about not causing harm to others or one's self) still need to be followed. But then that raises more questions, why honor the sabbath or god or not take his name in vain? Weren't Kosher laws moral laws to protect the individual?

Isn't the apologetic simply convenient to justify cherry picking?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Oh? Jesus seemed to think the Law applied to him and his followers, and many of the early Christians thought so too. See Bart Ehrman's writings for more elaboration on this topic.

My point is that you are putting your own interpretation of the Bible and claiming that it is the "real" one, just like people have been doing for thousands of years. All the way from Paul of Tarsus to the folks at BJU people have been putting their own spin on the text, which reflects their own cultural background and values. It's no different than looking at the writings of Nostradamus and claiming that "this is what he was predicting!" The Bible is all just a haphazard collection of ambiguous texts that contradict each other.

I was going to carry on the side track, but decided it was pointless to the initial conversation. regardless of other writtings etc, what we have now is one set of documents, and no where in those documents does it say that Christians are to use force to convert people, or demand that others, especially non-believers have to follow a Christian moral code. It doesn't matter how you interpret it, it's not there.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Aren't the 10 commandments part of the Mosaic law? I've read the tortured apologetics and I'm aware that in 2,000 years a narrative has sprung up to account for the contradictions.

This is the last I have to say on the side track. Jesus confirmed 9 of the 10 during his ministries, I'll leave it as an exercise for you to determine which he missed and why.

 

[RandFan]

This is the last I have to say on the side track. Jesus confirmed 9 of the 10 during his ministries, I'll leave it as an exercise for you to determine which he missed and why.

Doesn't answer the question. Oblique rhetorical games are always easier than being transparent and direct. Now I'll leave it as an exercise to you to determine why god spent 4 commandments on his own vanity and not a word about child abuse, domestic abuse or slavery.