Before they were seated in their seats, what did the 9/11 hijackers do that was against regulations? After that, what was the accepted procedure for the flight crews in the event of a hijacking?
Before they were seated in their seats, what did the 9/11 hijackers do that was against regulations? After that, what was the accepted procedure for the flight crews in the event of a hijacking?
This tap dance should be amusing.
In June though October of 2000 my sister was having her house built in Chantilly VA. I flew down several times to help her out with finish work she would not be able to afford but, really wanted (what are brothers for). In my carry on tool bag I always had one of these:
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In June though October of 2000 my sister was having her house built in Chantilly VA. I flew down several times to help her out with finish work she would not be able to afford but, really wanted (what are brothers for). In my carry on tool bag I always had one of these:
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I was never stopped or asked to remove it from the bag.
(for scale, the blade is 6" long).
(I flew out of Logan into Dulles and back.
I never really dealt with the "stand-down" orders etc. re 9/11 theories. I've stuck mostly with the technical question of CD. But when I was first exposed to the 9/11 controlled demo theory etc., I got extremely upset because of this very issue. Here in Colorado, after his disgraced presidential campaign ended, Gary Hart took it upon himself to sound the alarm about our woeful unpreparedness for terrorist acts on our soil. Our local newspapers were full of long articles about his research, and his warnings that we were sitting ducks for a terrorist attack. He looked at our state of emergency preparedness and found it wanting. For example, he asked an Air Force general, what if a passenger jet filled with 250 civilians were hijacked and the hijackers decided to plow the jet into the White House? Would you shoot it down? What is the protocol? The general admitted that protocol or not, he doubted anyone would have the intestinal fortitude to shoot it down, and that the jet would probably just plow into the White House. Terrorist attacks from foreign sources just weren't happening here, and the military and security apparatus just wasn't prepared to handle it. As Bush II said on 9/11, our enemies threw us a sucker punch. So the idea that a crack team of military experts was ready and able to stop the 9/11 attacks just wasn't true. I knew this, I had been warned for years by Gary Hart, in detail, and the claims made by the 9/11 alternative conspiracy theorists were completely inaccurate in this regard.
I have never seen a reasoned analysis of the shoot down options addressing the risk and "cost benefit" aspects AND which was not influenced by 20/20 hindsight.
How much closer are these planes going to get to their targets while those responsible for making the decision are contacted and are considering all these weighty issues? How long does it take to get those orders back down the chain to Johnny F. Sixteen? Tick tock, tick tock.
The weighty decision would have to have been made months/years in advance as a policy choice. Then "trigger" parameters set so that the operational implementation could be fast.
There lies a big problem for international politics. Even if those who are not "mostly American" come from friendly countries such as UK and AU.
Which itself would likely have been public knowledge in some fashion, and thus a factor in the terrorist's plans.I won't extend the derail - it is IMO a good topc for serious debate which I don't think is possible in this 9/11 sub-forum.
I will just identify three issues for consideration:
The weighty decision would have to have been made months/years in advance as a policy choice. Then "trigger" parameters set so that the operational implementation could be fast.
Almost as if it were some sort of no-win situation for the hypothetical defenders in this alternate universe. Either they "let" the jet through and be thought inept by the public, or they have the privilege of being forced to destroy a plane full of innocent international civilians.
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Yes.
Yes. Yes.
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Yes.
...and we haven't even started the debate.
Tony Stark said:
Is it surprising? The level of stupidity in your post is impossible to dip down to.
