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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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FatFreddy88 said:
I’d like to hear some analyes of this video as long as we’re talking about the flag.
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We already covered it. You ignored the replies.

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Cernan gave a counter twist to stop the flag. Since it isn't possible to see wrist movement on the footage when he moves it, one wouldn't expect to see any when he stops it.

Is this plausible? If not, why not.


I’m going to quote Jarrah White on this one. "Pro-Apollo people have the special ability not to be able to see what everyone else can see. They also have the special ability to be able to see what no one else can see." That’s more or less the way he said it. After debating with pro-Apollo people on several forums, I have to agree with him and this is one of those cases.
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That quote embodies your replies. Everybody else can see the flagpole move, can see that the astronaut was close enough to touch the flag and everything else you can't see with your misted over hoax spectacles.

Now answer my points on the previous page. I've bolded them for you.
 
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Cernan gave a counter twist to stop the flag. Since it isn't possible to see wrist movement on the footage when he moves it, one wouldn't expect to see any when he stops it.

Is this plausible? If not, why not.
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If that were the case, the rod would move in a way that would stop the flag from moving. Here it clearly doesn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(2:20 time mark)

Air stops it from moving.
 
Maybe he was threatened.
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I only have two people on ignore here.
FatFreddy88 is one of them.
But I can get the gist of his nonsense from the little snippets provided in quotes.

Have we had cointelpro, msm, Federal Reserve, colloidal silver and BuyGoldNow.com yet?
 
FatFreddy88 said:
If that were the case, the rod would move in a way that would stop the flag from moving. Here it clearly doesn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(2:20 time mark)

Air stops it from moving.
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No. That's not what happens. In the Mythbusters test the pole is held fast, and so doesn't absorb the momentum of the swinging flag. In the Apollo footage, the momentum of the swinging flag is transferred through the cross spar in the last movement Cernan makes.

It's no more complex a task than stopping a small weight from swinging on a string at the end of a stick. (In fact it's almost the same task.) Stopping the weight swinging is so simple a physical task that you could do it instinctively without necessarily even knowing how you do it.
 
No. That's not what happens. In the Mythbusters test the pole is held fast, and so doesn't absorb the momentum of the swinging flag. In the Apollo footage, the momentum of the swinging flag is transferred through the cross spar in the last movement Cernan makes.
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What exactly is the "Cross spar"?

I only know about the pole and the support rod.
 
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sts60 said:
FatFreddy88/DavidC, you claimed on this board that people like me (who are knowledgeable about space flight - unlike you - and disagree with your claims) do not believe what we are saying. I have asked you repeatedly (last in post 7985) to back up this claim. Stop dodging. Provide direct evidence for your claim that I don't believe Apollo went to the Moon - no idiotic YouTube loyalty tests - or retract the claim and apologize. This is a direct question, and I require a direct answer. Anything else will constitute your concession.
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You have had time to constitute quite a few lengthy posts since I started reminding you of your accusation. I will consider any further posts made without directly addressing this to be your abandonment of this claim, and your concession that I really do believe exactly what I am saying - in other words, that someone with extensive qualifications in this field (unlike you) honestly disagrees with you.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
If that were the case, the rod would move in a way that would stop the flag from moving. Here it clearly doesn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(2:20 time mark)

Air stops it from moving.
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You seem to be cornered here FF88.

Do you or do you not agree with Jarrah White's analysis that the astronaut was close enough to move the flag?

Is it plausible that the astronaut was close enough to move it, it really is very simple. Here are two other youtube analyses that concur.

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Jarrah's flag stopped within 5 seconds. Explain.

Jarrah's flag didn't move until he was level with it. Explain
 
sts60 said:
I will consider any further posts made without directly addressing this to be your abandonment of this claim, and your concession that I really do believe exactly what I am saying...
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As do I...and I'm sure quite a few others...freddy's silence is all that we need to prove that.


Freddy....see it's a "character" thing. When someone makes an obvious mis-statement regarding another poster, then the only sensible thing to do is apologize. That you seem incapable of doing that, reflects on your character, making it more and more difficult to take what you have to say, seriously.

Now if you don't mind not being believed, well, that's fine, but don't expect anyone with half a mind to take what you say seriously.

...and isn't your "point" to be taken seriously?
 
Do you or do you not agree with Jarrah White's analysis that the astronaut was close enough to move the flag?

Is it plausible that the astronaut was close enough to move it, it really is very simple. Here are two other youtube analyses that concur.
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There you go again. You’re trying to sway those viewer who don’t take the time to watch the video. You quote half of the quote and misrepresent what he says. Now I have to post this again to thwart your efforts to mislead the viewers.

(from post #8032)
But don't just take my word for it, for those who can bear to watch a Jarrah White video, even he concludes that the astronaut was close enough to brush it with his arm....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QI3fwzPGtUk#t=257s

Direct quote from Jarrah White

"Now, admittedly, I've been fairly conservative in measuring the bodywidth by only including the width up to his shoulders and it's possible his left elbow was jutting out making the body wider. If that were the case, his elbow could have brushed the bottom right corner of the flag."
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You only showed the first half of the quote to mislead people who don't take the time to watch the video. He goes on to say, "But this possibility hardly matters because, as we've seen already, the flag started moving well before he got near that corner."
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Freddy...do you have the courage to apologise to STS60? Are you a man or a mouse?



Should I start calling you "squeeky"??
 
FatFreddy88 said:
There you go again. You’re trying to sway those viewer who don’t take the time to watch the video. You quote half of the quote and misrepresent what he says. Now I have to post this again to thwart your efforts to mislead the viewers.

(from post #8032)
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Wriggling much. You're not thwarting me, you are avoiding at all costs answering the simple question.

Let us take this from what White is saying. He says the astronaut is close enough to have moved the flag. He then says with his ahaa moment that it doesn't matter because it moves before he got there. Nowhere have I denied this, so I am not misleading anybody.

Now, answer the question, I'll add a little caveat for you....

Do you agree with White's analysis that the astronaut was close enough to have moved the flag, notwithstanding that the flag moved a little bit before he got there?

You have ALWAYS denied that he was even close enough - clearly you were wrong.

FatFreddy88 said:
When the flag started moving, his elbow was too far away from it to be able to touch it as this video shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg
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As you say in that quote!

You missed these two, I must repost them so as to thwart your evasion of them...

Jarrah's flag stopped within 5 seconds. Explain.

Jarrah's flag didn't move until he was level with it. Explain
 
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FatFreddy88 said:
You’re trying to sway those viewer who don’t take the time to watch the video.
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If you think everyone is as ignorant as you, you are sadly mistaken.

Short, relevant story. I was a juror on a rape case. The case against the defendent was very strong, air tight, in fact. During defense closing arguments, the defendent's lawyer told a flat out lie in a last ditch effort to get his client "off"...and during deliberations, the entire jury agreed it was a lie.

Guess what our verdict was :)

That's the kind of crap I sometimes see in these Apollo discussions...just a general lack of arguing "in good faith", and an "ease of lying" and it really pisses me off.
 
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R.A.F. said:
Freddy...do you have the courage to apologise to STS60? Are you a man or a mouse?
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That would be a "no". He has left for the night, conveniently wriggling out of the tough questions aimed at him. I will repost them when he returns, just to "thwartTM" his evasion:D

His auto-reply script didn't have a contingency for his hero Jarrah White actually contradicting him.:boxedin:
 
FatFreddy88 said:
What exactly is the "Cross spar"?

I only know about the pole and the support rod.
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Ah. A fresh mystery. Well, obviously you know all about the two spars; the "pole" and the "support rod" as all genuine, official lunar experts call them. And one of them stands upright while the other one goes across. It's bound to be one or the other. Just ask if you need a hint.

Seriously though, is that the most worthwhile response you could muster? Passive-aggressive sniping that I used unofficial terminology for the naming of parts of their flagpole? Wow. Consider me chastised, if it makes you feel better.
 
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