Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[RobDog63]

Bit of a Booby Trap sts60, surprised you of all people fell for it....

...

Anyhoo, "GOTCHA' GOTHCA' GOTCHA'" as they say!!!!!!!!!......I am terrible am I not?!!!??? Oh well, all is fair in love whether in or outta' fake cislunar space ....

Pathetic and transparent infantile ploy to cover another embarrassing mistake.

I'm reminded of a scene in the Britcom series The Young Ones, where one of the characters, upon being struck squarely in the groin with a cricket bat, declares "Haha, joke's on you; missed both my legs".

 

[abaddon]

Bit of a Booby Trap sts60, surprised you of all people fell for it....

Here,
And here
and here
and here
and here
and here
and here.

How many do you need?

Oh well, guess you really do buy into this nonsense. My point was to point out in as dastardly and devious a fashion that there are no clear real time splashdown images, VIDEOS, or photos that one could unambiguously correlate with the live tv.

Just listed hundreds.
Oh, and the hilite speaks for itself.

The live tv is obviously fraudulent, AND so are all of these stills you yourselves were baited into digging up and showing, stills which truth be told, I examined months before along with first person accounts written by members of the Hornet "recovery team". The photo stills I recognized immediately as staged and not correlatable in any meaningful sense with the live tv garbage/images. Fairly damning wouldn't ya' say?

And your forensic photography qualifications are? Non-existent.

Because you say so does not count.

Were any of this real, of course one would have a video man out there at the capsule, especially in the case of Apollo 11, but it is true with regard to the other fraudulent missions as well. Were any of this real, of course you would take video footage of the ain'tstronauts climbing out of the phony pretend capsules.

Why are your uninformed expectations in any way justified?

Anyhoo, "GOTCHA' GOTHCA' GOTCHA'" as they say!!!!!!!!!......I am terrible am I not?!!!??? Oh well, all is fair in love whether in or outta' fake cislunar space ....

That is not a grown-up argument, that is a child's argument.

By the way sts60, when you met John Young, did he tell you how he was standing right behind Sy Leibergot when the Apollo 13 O2 tank blew in staged scenario mode and how he knew the accident could not possibly have been due to an instrumentation problem?

You already got toasted on this line of (lack of) thought.

Do you really want to be taosted all over again? Must we go several hundred posts back to show you wrong on this point again?

He must be a real cool dude that John Young, being able to sleep walk like that over to Mission Control in the middle of the night and sneak up behind Leibergot without the EECOM knowing such a creepy liar was breathing so heavy behind him. You know sts60, you must have seen the videos where Leibergot states clearly Young is full of it, his making that bogus claim, the lying heiny. Can't wait to post my videos of that, John Young lying about being there when the tank blew and Leibergot calling him on his BULL.....Bet you have a heart attack when you vidi that on YouTube soon sts60......

Patrick, first, that is childish in the extreme, and nobody here cares about your videos on youtube.

And funny thing is, I have only just started to turn up the heat in this thang, you boys ain't seen nothin' yet......Read this at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for heart attacks......

The heat is on YOU to back up your ideas. You have so far failed to do so.

Aren't you guys beginning to hate me for always being right about this stuff.??????....

No, Patrick. Hate would imply some level of caring what you think. No one here does. Your ideas are an amusement, nothing more.

Sorry 'bout the capsule "trick", but it was flat out too good an opportunity to pass up, knew you'd step in it. Such phony pictures, those splash stills.....

"Show me pictures", and, when shown, then you claim they are fake. How droll.

Has gotten rather "complicated", this investigation of ours, hasn't it sts60???? I think I am rather good at this, spotting the staged shots and so forth. I am half expecting to get a job offer from the NRO, CIA, NSA, FBI or all four even. But I know so much about INFLUENZA. That's the problem. Probably would not make sense to leave my doctoring gig. It 'ud be notin' but a wast 'o' my dx skills working as a shill ya' know.

Self praise is no praise. You do realise that?

On the other hand, every dude has his price.

Don't know about that. Many con artists purvey many scams and hoaxes on the internet for a price. You do it for free.

Wonder what they'd pay me to keep my mouth shut now that they realize their little thang is unraveling so fatally?

This is more fun than getting tickled by lightening.......

No. It is more amusing to watch you drag the hoax movement into further disrepute.

 

[Garrison]

Here's a really good way to think about this sort of nonsense, the obviously phony splash shots, shots that I admittedly semi-unfairly baited you guys into revealing yourselves.

The only nonsense here is yours. Three times in recent weeks you've claimed that photographs don't exist: West Crater/Apollo 13 damage/astronauts climbing out after splashdown. Just to be absolutely clear, you did not claim the pictures were faked or unclear; you categorically stated there were no such pictures. On each occasion you have been proven wrong; you haven't laid any clever traps, you've simply been wrong. This is beside your latest howler of assuming the LM ran on US household voltage.

You are fooling no one with this claim that you 'baited' other posters; you simply failed at basic research yet again.

 

[abaddon]

Here's a really good way to think about this sort of nonsense, the obviously phony splash shots, shots that I admittedly semi-unfairly baited you guys into revealing yourselves.

Take a careful look at this photo here from the Apollo 12 Image Library;

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-S69-60068.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-KSC-69PC-812BW.jpg

Some pics of lightning around the pad, your point? if you had one?
A12 is not there as is plain to see.

These are photos taken of the lightening? that struck Apollo 12? Is that correct?

Nope

Apollo 12 is 6000 feet overhead here and well downrange after having blasted off 36.5 seconds ago.

Yup, that is why you are wrong.

I refer to this as the "fill in the blanks technique" for obvious reasons. I cover this technique in some detail in my upcoming film about arch Apollo fraud Perpetrator and All around phony baloney extraordinare, John Aaron.

No one here will watch it.

 

[abaddon]

Well, what motive might I have had, might I have for intentionally mispelling lightening over and over and over? I thought it would have been obvious by now that this was/is what I was/am doing.

As I am fond of saying to Loss Leader from time to time threadworm, "need I mispell everything out for you?"

"I was doing it on purpose"... a grade school excuse for inability to spell, please.

How can you say Commander Borman was really in outer space threadworm?

Because he actually was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQ...vcbHsLPqKbJV_z

Sorry, argumentum ad youtubem is an automatic fail.

Wouldn't he get incredibly sick were he actually allergic to seconal and then, just after being sensitized like that, taking ANOTHER DOSE?

Oops, Doctor fail.

Surely he had to be on earth if the doctors were going to allow him to intentionally take seconal, a drug he was known to be allergic to.

Oops second doctor fail.
Read back the thread. You have been caught out on this in this very thread.
Do you think people have forgotten what you wrote and the responses you got?

 

[Erock]

These are.........snip

Obvious liar is obvious. Your posting habits are truly pathetic. I cannot believe that you are a medical doctor, thank heavens I'm not one of your patients

It's lightning, you didn't deliberately misspell it, you got it wrong numerous times.

You didn't 'bait' anybody to go look for pictures at splashdown, you have been owned again and lack the slightest integrity to admit it. Your bare assertion that they must be faked, because YOU say so is idiotic in the extreme. Even less pwoof than the incredibly dippy Bart Sibrel claim

The Apollo map for the hard of understanding had a different datum, the ALSJ even shows the correction for Lat and Long.

Abandon all Hope, seriously you have had every single thing you claim, squashed. Sometimes squashed so completely it is laughable how you still have the gall to continue posting.

 

[PetersCreek]

...and still no explanation of his botched ECS power requirements.

 

[BazBear]

Take a careful look at this photo here from the Apollo 12 Image Library;

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-S69-60068.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-KSC-69PC-812BW.jpg

These are photos taken of the lightening? that struck Apollo 12? Is that correct? Apollo 12 is 6000 feet overhead here and well downrange after having blasted off 36.5 seconds ago.

I refer to this as the "fill in the blanks technique" for obvious reasons. I cover this technique in some detail in my upcoming film about arch Apollo fraud Perpetrator and All around phony baloney extraordinare, John Aaron.

So now you're expert on lightning? Can you provide evidence proving lightning couldn't have done this, or have looked like this? Whether you believe it or not, lightning can travel tens of miles.

 

[threadworm]

Well, what motive might I have had, might I have for intentionally mispelling lightening over and over and over? I thought it would have been obvious by now that this was/is what I was/am doing.

As I am fond of saying to Loss Leader from time to time threadworm, "need I mispell everything out for you?"




How can you say Commander Borman was really in outer space threadworm?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQ...vcbHsLPqKbJV_z

Wouldn't he get incredibly sick were he actually allergic to seconal and then, just after being sensitized like that, taking ANOTHER DOSE?

Surely he had to be on earth if the doctors were going to allow him to intentionally take seconal, a drug he was known to be allergic to.

The only motive you have for spelling 'lightning' 'lightening' is that you don't know how to spell it, and in the typical manner of the average conspiracy theory believer you are having to concoct an ever more ludicrous stance to justify the one you've just been proved wrong about.

As for Commander Borman, I know he was in orbit around the moon because every photograph taken of the Earth during every stage of that mission, ties in exactly with the meteorological satellite record, just like all the other missions.

 

[mrbusdriver]

And Patrick, you still are impotent in responding to the explanations??? The only "fill in the blanks" being done is the posters here filling in the gaps in your Apollo knowledge... which seems like everything having to do with the subject. It's a little more involved than just googling terms...assuming you are interested in more than just a superficial familiarity with the subject.

Meanwhile, I suppose a hundred yards or so is "well downrange" in Patrick's world...he can't understand it was still practially right overhead

 

[SUSpilot]

Patrick, I'm going to do something you seem loath to do. I'm going to admit a mistake. It's not hard, and actually, it's good for you.

Now, I'm also going to put my earlier questions in a slightly larger font, as you seem to have missed them:

"Substituting astronauts" - straw man.

"No pictures at the capsule door" - you don't get to make the rules; the protocols called for other stuff to do. [Ooops - I took you at your word, Patrick. I was wrong. There were pictures taken as the astronauts egressed from the capsule.]

Now, please stop ignoring me and answer the following:

Will PTFE (a/k/a "Teflon") combust in a supercritical oxygen environment?

Will you take adult responsibility and confront those you libel in person, since you've been given that opportunity?

Could you explain to us what started this obsession of yours (500 words or less, please)?

New question: when will you correct your math about the power requirements for the LM ECS?

New question: how does a physician even feel comfortable writing in the style you've adopted?

Like Jake and Elwood saying they will go to the restaurant for every meal, I will ask these questions in every single post (except for the last - I'm just surprised an educatwd [sic] adult would express themselves that way) until you answer me. The burden of proof is on you, so stop changing subjects.

I hope everyone else will follow my lead.

 

[SUSpilot]

<snip>

Were any of this real, of course one would have a video man out there at the capsule, especially in the case of Apollo 11, but it is true with regard to the other fraudulent missions as well. Were any of this real, of course you would take video footage of the ain'tstronauts climbing out of the phony pretend capsules.
<snip>

Please tell us the state of the art in portable, broadcast-quality video cameras ca. 1969 - 1972, in particular their ability to withstand a sea-water environment.

This after you answer the still outstanding questions regarding PTFE, the LM ECS system, whether or not you'll join in a debate in person, and why this is such a crusade with you when you have been roundly rebutted at every turn.

 

[SUSpilot]

Well, what motive might I have had, might I have for intentionally mispelling lightening over and over and over? I thought it would have been obvious by now that this was/is what I was/am doing.

As I am fond of saying to Loss Leader from time to time threadworm, "need I mispell everything out for you?"

<snip>

Oh, for crying out loud. Just admit you misspelled it and go on. It's no big deal. If it helps, I habitually misspelled "truly" for most of my life until an annoyed magazine editor jumped on me for it.

 

[SUSpilot]

<snip>

Take a careful look at this photo here from the Apollo 12 Image Library;

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-S69-60068.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-KSC-69PC-812BW.jpg

These are photos taken of the lightening? that struck Apollo 12? Is that correct? Apollo 12 is 6000 feet overhead here and well downrange after having blasted off 36.5 seconds ago.

I refer to this as the "fill in the blanks technique" for obvious reasons. I cover this technique in some detail in my upcoming film about arch Apollo fraud Perpetrator and All around phony baloney extraordinare, John Aaron.

No, they're not photos of lightening, whatever that is. However, they're pretty good images of lightning.

While you're "researching" your "film", I suggest that you go back to Physics 101 and learn about how lightning behaves, particularly in the presence of a trail of ionized gasses. BTW, that's how lightning researchers trigger natural lightning strikes under controlled circumstances - small rockets launched into cumulonimbus clouds.

Do let us know how you're doing on the PTFE, debate, LM ECS data, and your dislike for the achievements of Apollo are coming while you're at it.

 

[AdMan]

The thread is self referential SATIRE

So, may I assume I have your permission to move this thread to Humor?

Given your latest lies on your earlier claims about splashdown pictures and the farcical "reasons" for your spelling mistakes, are you going to answer this, Patrick?

 

[JayUtah]

Here's a really good way to think about this sort of nonsense, the obviously phony splash shots, shots that I admittedly semi-unfairly baited you guys into revealing yourselves.

Nonsense. This is the same tactic every single conspiracy theorist uses to try to cover his tracks when proven wrong. They all say, "There should be X in the record, and there's no X." Then when ten people find examples of X, he says, "I was just kidding, but see how fake all those examples of X are."

The true scholar would simply admit his mistake and move on, vowing never to make that kind of mistake again. Only conspiracy-minded weasels try to lie their way out of having been caught in a mistake -- the same kind of mistake you've been caught in over and over again. See, after making it so many times and after your hamfisted attempts to cover up for it, we know you're simply not a serious scholar. You're just another conspiracy theorist who can be safely ignored.

These are photos taken of the lightening? that struck Apollo 12? Is that correct?

No, that isn't correct. Why on earth would you assume that?

I refer to this as the "fill in the blanks technique" for obvious reasons. I cover this technique in some detail in my upcoming film about arch Apollo fraud Perpetrator and All around phony baloney extraordinare, John Aaron.

Why do you think the world wants your tiresome rants in video form?

You've been given the opportunity to make a real difference in Apollo history, but you refuse to take it. You prefer hiding out where you can remain immune to criticism. Why do you think you deserve attention from thoughtful people?

 

[realpaladin]

Heya Patrick...

My offer on the video-chatting still stands...

I will help you with setting up a VPN, I will help you to stay anonymous...

The only thing would be a face-to-face chat with some of the 'external' people mentioned by you.

 

[R.A.F.]

The true scholar would simply admit his mistake and move on, vowing never to make that kind of mistake again. Only conspiracy-minded weasels try to lie their way out of having been caught in a mistake -- the same kind of mistake you've been caught in over and over again. See, after making it so many times and after your hamfisted attempts to cover up for it, we know you're simply not a serious scholar. You're just another conspiracy theorist who can be safely ignored.

That really is the "gist" of it...patrick is certainly not fooling anyone into thinking he is some kind of "scientific researcher" dispite his contrary claims. He is a somewhat typical HB...no different from those who have come before.


When is this thread being moved? Hasn't it been established BEYOND ALL DOUBT that Patrick simply can not discuss this topic, rationally?...that is is ALL A JOKE to him?

Put this thread in the humour section...then we can all have a good laugh.

 

[sts60]

Thank you sts60.

You're welcome. I was replying to SUSpilot's earlier post.

Hey Patrick, what was that you were saying?

Is that what that was all about? I stopped reading his incoherent rants a long time ago.

Please tell us the state of the art in portable, broadcast-quality video cameras ca. 1969 - 1972, in particular their ability to withstand a sea-water environment.

I dunno about broadcast equipment in the water. But video and/or film (I can't be bothered to check) of the recovery operations was taken and IIRC there was some sort of live broadcast. I saw a video (don't know if of film or videocamera origin) of A12 crew, clearly recognizable, debarking the CM and boarding the raft (taken from a helicopter).

 

[Patrick1000]

That's a good one, what mission is that?

And looky here, what's that in the water to the left of the raft? Not a frogman with a camera, no!

That's a good one, what mission is that?