Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[BazBear]

And looky here, what's that in the water to the left of the raft? Not a frogman with a camera, no!

 

[Erock]

Sounds good. On that note, here's a nice picture of a diver from CVA-14 USS Ticonderoga helping Apollo 16 commander John Young exit from the Command Module Casper into a raft:

[qimg]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/sts060/Apollo/ap16-S72-36492.jpg[/qimg]

I had the pleasure of meeting Capt. Young in the '90s when he stopped by our satellite processing work at Hangar S.

But but but Docsocks says that didn't happen

Gene Cernan exiting Apollo 17 - hey he looks a bit like you-know-who.....

I won't clutter the forum with images, here is one of Alan Shepard on the hoist up to the helicopter.

Lovell and Haise waiting for pickup after Apollo 13.

 

[SpitfireIX]

This was a super interesting exercise. Give it a try if ya' dare to.....

Go to Google and enter INDIVIDUALLY into the search window for IMAGES, "Apollo 7 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 8 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 9 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 10 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 11 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 12 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 13 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 14 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 15 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 16 splashdown", THEN "Apollo 17 splashdown".

Go through them one by one, just like that......

See if you can spot/well identify an astronaut in ONE of the images, a public figure, climbing out of one of the scene props/phony Apollo capsules. I thought I could see/identify Cernan and Harrison Schmitt pretty well in a couple shots, but even that was iffy, "pretty well" was/is probably generous.

Boys, girls......., we've done been had, more times than not anyhoo, they are pullin' the ol' ain'tstronaut switcher-roo-roo-roo" on us.

John Young (Apollo 10)

Ed Mitchell (Apollo 14)

Dave Scott (Apollo 15)

Jim Irwin (Apollo 15)

John Young (Apollo 16) as previously posted by sts60

Ken Mattingly (Apollo 16)

Gene Cernan (Apollo 17)

Harrison Schmitt (Apollo 17)

Further, these are just the photos that meet your strict definition of showing the astronauts actually exiting the hatch. There are many more photos that show the astronauts in rafts next to the CM.

Epic fail.

Frankly, you'd be laughed out of any middle-school science class for making such a ridiculous claim; all the students would have to do would be to use their computers to prove you wrong.

 

[FFed]

Here is Gene Cernan from Apollo 17. Is this picture still "iffy" too?

 

[fess]

Sounds good. On that note, here's a nice picture of a diver from CVA-14 USS Ticonderoga helping Apollo 16 commander John Young exit from the Command Module Casper into a raft:

[qimg]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/sts060/Apollo/ap16-S72-36492.jpg[/qimg]

I had the pleasure of meeting Capt. Young in the '90s when he stopped by our satellite processing work at Hangar S.

Thank you sts60.

Hey Patrick, what was that you were saying?

 

[frenat]

Should read 12 amps equivalent to roughly 1500 watts, assuming 120 volt system.

Not sure yet what they were running yet.

At any rate, assuming 1500 wats for now pending further investigation, my claim/contention is that they could not run the scrubber and the other essential systems(radio, blah blah blah) on 1500 watts.

ASSSUMING 120 volts (which is wrong), and with no calculations whatsoever. You've proven nothing except you have no clue what you're talking about. Since we knew that months ago you're just wasting your time continuing to do so.

 

[threadworm]

I was working on a little film today for John Aaron. Something that I thought would be good for him to see in the setting of receiving my soon to be mailed challenge letter. I'll of course share with the group here my film and open letter to Aaron as well.

As I was reviewing the details of the Apollo 12 lightening incident, it occurred to me that I have been rather off target with regard to my assessment of "Flight Director" culpability.

Gerald Griffin was on duty during the staged lightening strike. Of course, and as emphasized previously, John Aaron is spotted as an Apollo Fraud PERP in this context as he in a very real sense "fixes" the course of the scripted scenario by virtue of his "SCE to Auxillary call". But if one pauses to think about this for a moment, despite Aaron's shananigans, were Griffin a legit Flight Director, well then he could abort the whole dang thing regardless.

Aaron's action takes care of the situation's cosmetics. But a legitimate, intelligent flight director, a non PERP, would have cancelled the trip to the moon after the lightening strike. That is, were any of this real, the guy would have aborted the mission. It's staged, so no abort was required, and indeed, ON TO THE MOON was the only option, was the INDELIBLY SCRIPTED OPTION.

This point is revealing as it DEMONSTRATES THE STARK REALITY THAT EVERY FLIGHT DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN APOLLO FRAUD PERP AS THEY HAD THE POWER, WERE THEY LEGITIMATE DIRECTORS, TO STEER THE SCENERIO AWAY FROM THE THE SCRIPTED COURSE OF EVENTS. AS THIS COULD NOT BE TOLERATED, THE FRAUD'S EFFECTIVENESS BEING DEPENDENT ON THE LACK OF WIGGLE ROOM, THE LACK OF OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVISE AT KEY DECISION POINTS, ONE MAY CONCLUDE WITH UNMITIGATED METAPHYSICAL CERTITUDE THAT THE FOLLOWING MEN, EVERY ONE, WAS A FRAUD PERPETRATOR, ASSUMING EACH OF THE MEN AS LISTED BELOW ACTED "INDEPENDENTLY" AT SOME TIME DURING ONE OF THE FRAUDULENT/STAGED/BOGUS MISSIONS.

THE FLIGHT DIRECTOR LIST, ADD THESE MEN TO THE PERP LIST UNLESS ONE OR MORE SERVED IN AN ASSISTANT'S/NON DECISION MAKING ROLE.




APOLLO FLIGHT DIRECTORS AND FRAUD PERPETRATORS

Glynn S. Lunney

Gerald D. Griffin

Eugene F. Kranz

M. P. “Pete” Frank III

Milton L. Windler

Clifford E. Charlesworth

Philip C. Shaffer

Donald R. Puddy

Neil B. Hutchinson

Charles R. Lewis





Utterly, off the hook fascinating.... Cannot wait to send my letter and my movie to Aaron. He won't be able to "flip a switch" outta' this predicament.......

It's LIGHTNING

In much the same way as I refuse to do business with companies who can't spell, I can't take the argument of someone who claims to be an educated professional seriously when they make such a basic error as that. It demonstrates a lack of attention to detail and/or a much poorer level of education than they claim for themselves..

Astronauts launched with contingency plans in place for abort at all the key stages before LOI. Apollo 12 launched, had an issue, recovered, went to the moon.

Collins, Armstrong and Aldrin were not on Earth, they were where they were supposed to be, and this is entirely supported by every photograph they took, particularly those that show the Earth.

I am continuing to plot the photographs of the moon taken from lunar orbit by astronauts. It has become clear while doing that these images were not taken by an automatic camera, but by people.

Just for fun, here it is so far:

http://depositfiles.com/files/2wgrqrov9

Apollo 8 and 11 are complete, Apollo 10 is in progress.

 

[billdun262]

Someone should create a web page listing all the numerous times Patrick's HUGE FACTS have been proven wrong, or he has contradicted himself.

 

[mrbusdriver]

Well, Patrick?

You change the subject to avoid the heat about the power usage aboard Apollo 13 (where you were blown out of the water), and promptly get "pwn'ed" with photographic evidence which your shallow research "skills" failed to uncover.

Your arguments are looking really weak (again). Your ability to wildly jump to conclusions based on some bizzare observation/interpretation should land you in an Olympic event.

You're being proven wrong at every turn. I wonder where you will try to divert this thread now...based on history, you will not address your errors.

 

[realpaladin]

Should read 12 amps equivalent to roughly 1500 watts, assuming 120 volt system.

Not sure yet what they were running yet.

At any rate, assuming 1500 wats for now pending further investigation, my claim/contention is that they could not run the scrubber and the other essential systems(radio, blah blah blah) on 1500 watts.

12 Amps... I can run about 16u of servers in that...

 

[Erock]

I won't clutter the forum with images, here is one of Alan Shepard on the hoist up to the helicopter.

Ooops, ignore that one it's Mercury

 

[Patrick1000]

EVIDENCE? How about the Department of Defense's own map? How's that for EVIDENCE!!!

That's because he made it up, not to provide evidence of his conspiracy, but to keep you guys talking to him. He'll keep this up for as long as you take him seriously (which I don't any of you really do) but you do keep feedin' him!

EVIDENCE? How about the Department of Defense's=NASA's own map? How's that for EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Geeeeeeee Willikers Hans, you sure do have a short memory. How’s this for a piece of DAMNING INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE, the LAM-2 Apollo 11 Flown Map itself, just as “prepared”(you can say that again, that the off the hook scammy heinied thing was “PREPARED“) by the Department of Defense Mapmakers, and as archived in NASA’s own Apollo 11 Lunar Image Library……

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/LAM2_CMP-flown.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html#Maps

The center of the landing site ellipse is at 00 42’ 50” north and 23 42’ 28” east, just as one would have expected given the Apollo 11 Press Kit’s July 6 1969 publication of the landing site coordinates. See page 85 of the Press Kit;

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11_PressKit.pdf

So why is it that the November 1969 Apollo 11 Mission Report publication, page 5-6 indicates that the targeted landing site was 00 43’ 53” north and 23 38’ 51” east Hans?

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11_MissionReport.pdf

Please consult NASA’S OWN REFERENCES for yourself Hans at the Apollo 11 Image Library and Apollo 11 Press Kit pages sited above.

TARGETED landing site coordinates Hans are immutable, THEY DO NOT CHANGE. A target is a target is a target is a target, and has nothing to do with the “actual” landing site coordinates as determined subsequent to the simulated/fraudulent Apollo 11 touchdown.

So this Apollo 11 Flown LAM-2 Map, THIS EVIDENCE of intentional map mislabeling, this piece of irrefutable Apollo 11 Mission FRAUD PARTICIPATION on the part of the Department of Defense personal who CONSTRUCTED the bogus LAM-2 flown map and Emil Schiesser as well, Schiesser the Shyster being the Apollo Project mathematician/trajectory specialist who was in charge of landing site coordinate determination, is rather beyond incontrovertible Hans. THIS EVIDENCE is nothing less than a full on LOCK, full on PROOF of fraud. The only reason to intentionally mislabel the LAM-2 flown map with the July 6 1969 Apollo 11 Press Kit targeted landing site coordinates is to perpetrate full scale, full on, off the hook, rip off the public, Apollo 11 Mission FRAUD.

Evidence? There is your EVIDENCE Hans, and it is staring you right in the face from NASA’s own web sites, staring you right in the face, the Department of Defense’s OWN MAP of the moon for God’s sake. This is disgusting.

THIS EVIDENCE could hardly be any better, any more firm.

Did I say this already? THIS IS DISGUSTING……..

 

[Patrick1000]

Well, what motive might I have had, might I have for intentionally mispelling.....

It's LIGHTNING

In much the same way as I refuse to do business with companies who can't spell, I can't take the argument of someone who claims to be an educated professional seriously when they make such a basic error as that. It demonstrates a lack of attention to detail and/or a much poorer level of education than they claim for themselves..

Astronauts launched with contingency plans in place for abort at all the key stages before LOI. Apollo 12 launched, had an issue, recovered, went to the moon.

Collins, Armstrong and Aldrin were not on Earth, they were where they were supposed to be, and this is entirely supported by every photograph they took, particularly those that show the Earth.

I am continuing to plot the photographs of the moon taken from lunar orbit by astronauts. It has become clear while doing that these images were not taken by an automatic camera, but by people.

Just for fun, here it is so far:

http://depositfiles.com/files/2wgrqrov9

Apollo 8 and 11 are complete, Apollo 10 is in progress.

Well, what motive might I have had, might I have for intentionally mispelling lightening over and over and over? I thought it would have been obvious by now that this was/is what I was/am doing.

As I am fond of saying to Loss Leader from time to time threadworm, "need I mispell everything out for you?"




How can you say Commander Borman was really in outer space threadworm?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQ...vcbHsLPqKbJV_z

Wouldn't he get incredibly sick were he actually allergic to seconal and then, just after being sensitized like that, taking ANOTHER DOSE?

Surely he had to be on earth if the doctors were going to allow him to intentionally take seconal, a drug he was known to be allergic to.

 

[Patrick1000]

Bit of a Booby Trap sts60, surprised you of all people fell for it....

Sounds good. On that note, here's a nice picture of a diver from CVA-14 USS Ticonderoga helping Apollo 16 commander John Young exit from the Command Module Casper into a raft:

[qimg]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/sts060/Apollo/ap16-S72-36492.jpg[/qimg]

I had the pleasure of meeting Capt. Young in the '90s when he stopped by our satellite processing work at Hangar S.

Bit of a Booby Trap sts60, surprised you of all people fell for it....

Oh well, guess you really do buy into this nonsense. My point was to point out in as dastardly and devious a fashion that there are no clear real time splashdown images, VIDEOS, or photos that one could unambiguously correlate with the live tv. The live tv is obviously fraudulent, AND so are all of these stills you yourselves were baited into digging up and showing, stills which truth be told, I examined months before along with first person accounts written by members of the Hornet "recovery team". The photo stills I recognized immediately as staged and not correlatable in any meaningful sense with the live tv garbage/images. Fairly damning wouldn't ya' say?

Were any of this real, of course one would have a video man out there at the capsule, especially in the case of Apollo 11, but it is true with regard to the other fraudulent missions as well. Were any of this real, of course you would take video footage of the ain'tstronauts climbing out of the phony pretend capsules.

Anyhoo, "GOTCHA' GOTHCA' GOTCHA'" as they say!!!!!!!!!......I am terrible am I not?!!!??? Oh well, all is fair in love whether in or outta' fake cislunar space ....

By the way sts60, when you met John Young, did he tell you how he was standing right behind Sy Leibergot when the Apollo 13 O2 tank blew in staged scenario mode and how he knew the accident could not possibly have been due to an instrumentation problem? He must be a real cool dude that John Young, being able to sleep walk like that over to Mission Control in the middle of the night and sneak up behind Leibergot without the EECOM knowing such a creepy liar was breathing so heavy behind him. You know sts60, you must have seen the videos where Leibergot states clearly Young is full of it, his making that bogus claim, the lying heiny. Can't wait to post my videos of that, John Young lying about being there when the tank blew and Leibergot calling him on his BULL.....Bet you have a heart attack when you vidi that on YouTube soon sts60......

And funny thing is, I have only just started to turn up the heat in this thang, you boys ain't seen nothin' yet......Read this at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for heart attacks......

Aren't you guys beginning to hate me for always being right about this stuff.??????....Sorry 'bout the capsule "trick", but it was flat out too good an opportunity to pass up, knew you'd step in it. Such phony pictures, those splash stills.....

Has gotten rather "complicated", this investigation of ours, hasn't it sts60???? I think I am rather good at this, spotting the staged shots and so forth. I am half expecting to get a job offer from the NRO, CIA, NSA, FBI or all four even. But I know so much about INFLUENZA. That's the problem. Probably would not make sense to leave my doctoring gig. It 'ud be notin' but a wast 'o' my dx skills working as a shill ya' know.

On the other hand, every dude has his price. Wonder what they'd pay me to keep my mouth shut now that they realize their little thang is unraveling so fatally?

This is more fun than getting tickled by lightening.......

 

[Patrick1000]

Here's a really good way to think about this sort of nonsense.....

Sounds good. On that note, here's a nice picture of a diver from CVA-14 USS Ticonderoga helping Apollo 16 commander John Young exit from the Command Module Casper into a raft:

[qimg]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/sts060/Apollo/ap16-S72-36492.jpg[/qimg]

I had the pleasure of meeting Capt. Young in the '90s when he stopped by our satellite processing work at Hangar S.

Here's a really good way to think about this sort of nonsense, the obviously phony splash shots, shots that I admittedly semi-unfairly baited you guys into revealing yourselves.

Take a careful look at this photo here from the Apollo 12 Image Library;

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-S69-60068.jpg

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-KSC-69PC-812BW.jpg

These are photos taken of the lightening? that struck Apollo 12? Is that correct? Apollo 12 is 6000 feet overhead here and well downrange after having blasted off 36.5 seconds ago.

I refer to this as the "fill in the blanks technique" for obvious reasons. I cover this technique in some detail in my upcoming film about arch Apollo fraud Perpetrator and All around phony baloney extraordinare, John Aaron.

 

[Loss Leader]

My point was to point out in as dastardly and devious a fashion that there are no clear real time splashdown images, VIDEOS, or photos that one could unambiguously correlate with the live tv.

Liar.

 

[mrbusdriver]

These are photos taken of the lightening? that struck Apollo 12? Is that correct? Apollo 12 is 6000 feet overhead here and well downrange after having blasted off 36.5 seconds ago.

Define "well downrange" please...and why in means anything, given the facts of the strike.

 

[R.A.F.]

Ooops, ignore that one it's Mercury

Wait a while...I'm sure Patrick will eventually claim that fake. He doesn't really think things through before posting.

 

[Patrick1000]

Hardly Loss Leader, STAGED photos "out of synch" with "live news broadcasts"...

Liar.

Hardly Loss Leader, it is a recurring theme.....I have a few more of these to share already lined up. The best one is the lightening strike example, but the splashdown recovery shots are pretty good/INCRIMINATING as well.

They tell you one thing, the tv boys do, but check out the real-time images for "landing sites", splashdowns, Apollo 13 lightening and so forth, there is no real-time "documentation" image wise, no REAL-TIME support for their bogus claims of "little west crater", lightening strike on 12 , and Armstrong splashing .

THEN!!!!! the pics come after the fact, Erock's photos of "Little West Crater"(helpful by the way as it lead me to this notion, this theme of "photo after the fact"), staged photos of astronauts climbing out of capsules despite nothing remotely resembling this jive in the tv videos(I will be posting on this extensively and feature it in my film on John Aaron) and then best of all, or perhaps best said, most disgustingly of all, claims of Apollo 12 being hit by lightening and absolutely no evidence for it in the tv videos, no DISINTERESTED/reliable first person reports at the scene, yet photos of lightening at the moment the rocket was hit;

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-KSC-69PC-812BW.jpg

The rocket is over a mile overhead here in this bogus photo. What is this BULL supposed to prove? It has NOTHING TO DO WITH NASA'S CLAIM ABOUT 122 BEING HIT. WHERE IS THE ROCKET??????? SAME WITH THE SPLASH SHOTS, SAME WITH THE LITTLE WEST SHOTS.

Where does this JIVE come from? From the same place the splash stills came from, same place the "Little West" shot came from, staged/fraudulent Apollo Program BULL.


Ever see the "lightening strike" pictures Loss Leader? Just like the case with the splashdown shots, see if you can find ANY shots vetted as having been taken in real-time......How do the photos in support of the alleged lightening strike "correlate" with the live tv shots? Not at all. I'll post the NBC live coverage of the Apollo 12 launch and you'll cringe. I'll try and post it later today.

So this is a recurrent and common theme, bait and switch with no real-time support, patently STAGED photos of "rocket" lightening strikes, splashdowns and so forth turn up after the fact. In the case of the "rocket strike", all's they have is a dumb photo of lightening next to a "tower silhouette. I don't believe that was even taken on 04/13/69 at the moment of truth. That photo has got to be FAKE through and through.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/ap12-S69-60068.jpg

Hardly any reason to "lie" when it cannot be anything but TRUE. You'll see what I mean when I post the NBC Apollo 12 launch video.

This is getting embarrassing beyond words. Can't believe you guys aren't baling on these clowns.....

 

[R.A.F.]

Here's a really good way to think about this sort of nonsense...

Translation, I can't comment, without looking like a fool, so I'll change the subject...


Patrick...we've all seen your "bag of gags", and you are only fooling yourself if you think we are "taken in" by them.