9/11 No Planers who claim no planes struck the WTC, and think all the video is fake

000063 said:
He means fake jumbo jet plane wings, which would somehow be enough to convince people that they were seeing a plane. Nevermind that a drone could not carry that sort of weight, or that there is no logical reason for the conspirators to have the drone circle the towers.
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Are you saying crimes must make sense to be solved? A drone did circle the towers because it cast it's own shadow behind the towers in three broadcasts. That's a fact that even media lunatics acknowledged.
 
Edx said:
You didnt answer my question.

Are you saying it was a LITERAL "blob" or not?

[qimg]http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/06/070724_flying_saucer_02.jpg[/qimg]

or actually this...

[qimg]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1R-Gtn85OQA/TjQ-7mmRmiI/AAAAAAAAGEI/AUahkcpTaUY/s1600/theblob3.jpg[/qimg]

I also asked you this....

If someone didnt see a plane and this means there was no boeing, then why doesnt that mean there was no "blob" either? If they could miss the blob, why couldnt they miss the boeing?
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Because the blob was a dot, even smaller than a chopper and people could have been confused about what it was. People who said they saw something is in doubt because the footage of planes are visibly fake. I showed one photograph that was obviously fake, that raises reasonable about the south to north path. That technically doesn't mean it didn't happen, but doubt exists. The same way a person's acquitted, that could have done it.
 
This is Flight 175's descent. A passenger jet cannot drop in altitude this fast and still stay in control.
8:58 AM 25,000 Feet
9:00 AM 18,500 Feet
9:02 AM 9,000 Feet

It hits the south tower at a height of around 1000 feet at 9:02:40 which means the flight descended over 8000 feet in 40 seconds.

The last 52 - 60 miles of fake 175's journey was covered in 4 mins 40 seconds. This places speed between 668 Mph and 771 Mph Maximum cruising speed for Boeing 767 is 568 MPH and that is at cruising altitude. The plane would go much lower speeds at lower altitudes.

This flight data is in the NTSB report. A lot of sources say flight 175 hit the south tower at 590 MPH, even NIST says 540 MPH. These speeds are not attainable at lower altitudes. A plane flying at these speeds would be out of control.
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False, these speeds are easy to get to at sea level, especially with idiot pilots on board who don't care how fast they go when they murder people.
The idiot terrorist pilot was aiming at the WTC, he had no clue he was too high to approach at a safe speed. lol, you don't do flying, math, or physics.
Time -----Altitude
09:00:30 14,500
09:01:00 11,000 9,000 f/m I can do 15,000 f/m
09:01:30 8,500 5,000 f/m
09:02:00 6,000 5,000 f/m
09:02:30 2,000 8,000 f/m
09:02:39 700 8,670 f/m

Not over 8000 feet in 40 seconds. The peak for 40 seconds looks like 6000 feet. Math?

Maximum speed in a dive is .91 MACH.
Maximum speed for long life of airframe is over 480 mph at low altitude in a dive. Flight 11 was too slow. Flight 175 exceed max speed for low altitude, but there is no reason why it can't go faster. Sorry, you are not an engineer or pilot. I have flown past Vmo at 500 feet, the heavy jet was easy to handle and did not break up.
.91 MACH is over 690 mph. Explain with equations and math why a 767 can't go fast at low altitude, in a big dive, averaging 8,000 feet per minute down!
Please show with math and physics why 175 can't exceed Vmo, or Vd.

175 CRASHED! It was a terrorist act you deny due to unknown problems.
 
7forever said:
What you are doing, besides revealing a complete denial of ignored facts (and an astonishing lack of common sense) is hurting the quest for real 9-11 truth.

Your willful ignorance has everything to do with real 9-11 truth (which center on well documented, verifiable video that depicted no planes but slow moving drones) and everything to do with disinformation.
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RADAR proves you are telling lies. Posted the RADAR information, you ignore evidence and spread lies out of ignorance.

7forever said:
I know you can't prove a dot was a plane and so do you.:D
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I did with RADAR, you spread lies, and you don't know it, or don't care. Which one? You don't do science, you don't understand RADAR.

Too bad you are anti-science.


It is clear in the animation on the right that the plane is descending, but that its rate of descent is not constant. We can infer from this that the plane was in a dive initially, and the pilot pulled back on the controls to make bring the direction of travel closer to level. The plane is also banked and in a turn. The curved nature of the flight path is also apparent from the animation on the left. Thus, the expectation of a straight flight path is unwarranted and its absence in one piece of footage is not proof of anything.
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You said no turn, but over at another Internet Spamming, you say 175 was turning. What is the turn radius at 590 mph for the bank angle? What was the bank angle? Do you do math, you can't get the VVI right, can you do turn radius? Bank angle?
 
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7forever said:
Are you saying a plane can be above the smoke, below the smoke, west and and south of the towers at the same time? Good luck with that, you little silly.:boxedin:
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What is little silly? You are spreading a delusions of no planes. Have you told the parents, the wives, the husbands, of the dead they are not dead? Have you done anything besides spamming the entire internet with lies?

175 was flying about 50 degrees the last 5 minutes. Do you do maps?

Why can't you comment on RADAR data, which proves your claims are false?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAyGO2oDac
Jennifer Spell, in her own words: "Just about five minutes after I got outside and was shooting, the second plane circle around and it flew out over New Jersey and then it came in, it just."[/QUOTE]

Some denialist suggested Spell meant something different than seeing something circle in the final seconds. She was filming for five minutes and then saw something in her camera view, facing northwest. She never described anything at high altitude, nor did most any witness. They described something flying low and circling the towers, which could only be something, not a plane.

The final minutes according to myth 911, 175 flew over Staten Island and New York Bay, therefore never circling anything but the entire state of NJ. It simply flew its mythical path, but never circled the towers in any way, which disagrees with many witnesses and the broadcasts showing the drone, which did circle. Planes cannot circle buildings and crash into the back of them, but apparently a drone can and did on 911.

Jennifer and friend totally debunked her video by confirming the impossibility of any plane circling the towers in its final seconds before explosion. Of course, there is fake footage supporting this, making sure there was cgi covering the drone's path. She may have meant it was flying south over Jersey before turning east to behind the towers, but it's not that relevant. She saw nothing until seeing something over west by the Jersey side, which could not have been fake 175 because it was supposed to be flying over the bay, south of the towers. One plane cannot be flying east over the hudson and north over the bay at the same time and those impossibilities are a reality for sleuths and real truth in 911 research.

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7forever said:
They lost contact with it at some point, I thought it was 8:46. It doesn't matter because the official flight path is at odds with what was shown on Tv. That was proven years ago and my work just adds to the absurdity of planes.
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Who lost contact? RADAR? Explain, please.
RADAR has 175 right up to the WTC tower, no lost contact.


The official flight path is not at odds with TV. That is a false statement you made up and can't prove. The official flight path is where we see 175 on video, and RADAR. They confirm each other, math proves it. You remember math?

Your lies, proved lies years ago, your work is nonsense, and absurd. The only thing going for you, is 911 truth claims your work is nonsense, and they can't get anything right.
 
000063 said:
No, I'm saying your theory is nonsensical, self-contradictory, and physically impossible.
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There is absolutely no reasoning with whatever he sees in those videos and images. He makes a lot of the same mistakes with his Kennedy assassination videos and tries to see things that aren't there. I've argued with him a number of times that nearly everything he viewed as "evidence" was from the fact the videos and images he uses are of such bad quality.

Think of all the arguments people have had over the debris and the flight 93 + Pentagon scenes not "looking right"... pretty much the same idea on steroids.
 
The "no planes" segment of the truth movement, is nothing more than a vagabond band of provocateurs. To "support" their claims, they consistently rely on the worst possible footage and then routinely, and intentionally, misquote eyewitness statements and misrepresent the evidence. Even Alex Jones doesn't endorse that group. (That's neither here, nor there, since he can always come back and say that he in fact does if it suits him later on). It's mostly a way of injecting more aggressive vitriol into the conversation. I saw that Ace Baker was mentioned earlier: he was on Ronald Weick's show and used an extremely unreliable, non-scientific method for advancing his claims: he super-imposed arrows over various frames of the footage and claimed that according to the placement of his arrows and the timing of the footage, that a plane should have been visible in the shot. It WAS. It was not taped from the best location to record the plane and the zoom of the particular footage he was using was wide-out. You actually could see the plane in that footage, it was merely a black dot--as it would be from that vantage point and focus.
 
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MrSkunkwork100 said:
The "no planes" segment sect of the truth movement cult, is nothing more than a vagabond band of provocateurs. To "support" their claims, they consistently rely on the worst possible footage and then routinely, and intentionally, misquote eyewitness statements and misrepresent the evidence.
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True, it's also what orthodox truthers do too though. I was just viewing a thread in this very forum where cult members were continuing to contend that Larry Silverstein admitted to a controlled demolition of WTC7 in an interview ( the old "pull it" canard). They will twist and distort to push their anti-government agenda.

Funny enough there's actually a cult sect that contends there were no people in the towers either. They say that the footage was fake because some of the people hanging out of the windows don't look right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_EP4fZcYkY

Here's a fun comment left by a fanatic:

The entire body of 9/11 imagery was "made in Hollywood". Of course, the shock-and-awe imagery (fake stills+ fake videos) of "people jumping from the WTC" was instrumental to generate outrage among the public - whilst feeding into our minds the notion that there were people in the towers that morning. Not so: please do a google search for THE 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS. As for the 'jumper' imagery, it has been proven fake in every imaginable way :
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:eek: This is conspiracy occultism at it's worst. As depraved as the "truth" cult is, I don't think it gets much worse than that.

What we see here is the same formula for any 9/11 "truth" cult myth. They find delude themselves that they've found something that "doesn't look right" and then flood the internet with their delusions:

- hole in the pentagon isn't big enough...(where's the rest of the plane?)... must have been a missile shot by the government at their own building in broad daylight.
- the towers shouldn't be collapsing the way they are...must be a super duper top secret hi tech nano-thermite hushabomb controlled demolition.
- there isn't enough plane debri in shanksville...must have been blown to pieces in the air.
- the phone calls from the planes don't sound right, the people aren't scared enough, they sound "too calm," and the altitudes are too high... they must be paid actors for the NWO gov. made to sound like the missing people with voice morphing technology.
- the plane hitting the towers doesn't look right...must be military, not an airliner
- the plane is moving too fast for such a low altitude...must be fake.
 
I've been debating 7-11 for over a year regarding both JFK and the No-Planes myth...and what is clear is, 7-11 does not actually want to learn the truth about these topics, he just wishes to have his belief validated.

True to the die-hard nutter mentality, there is no evidence you can provide to prove him wrong because that evidence is only MORE proof of the conspiracy to deceive.
 
Even the no planers are as fragmented as the rest of the Truther Cult. The likes of Alex Jones and his minions reject the WTC no planers, but they are no planers regarding the other crash sites.

They all like to avoid the issue of the people on the planes and dismiss calls made from the planes as planes as fakes- if the victims didn't die on 9/11, where are they? No Planers might have doubts they existed at all.
 
if there are any no planers here, what do you think happened to the people on the 4 planes? Do you deny they even existed?
 
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