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Marines Urinating on Dead Guys?

Bill Thompson said:
Interesting. You know, Richard Chamberland was not in the book.
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:eek: Really? An actor wasn't in the book? My god, this turns my understanding of the difference between literature and television through 360 degrees.

Leaving it exactly where it was.
I do not think you read much. Is that a correct assumption?

There was an earthquake in the book that almost wiped out an army camp that the Shogun had. Blackthorn and the Shogun survived and they were so overwhelmed with emotion by escaping what seemed to be certain death that the both urinated into the rift in the earth caused by the earth quake.

My point is that these marines faced death directly by these taliban. THeir actions remind me of that passage in the book.

For us to judge them in our civilian worlds is pathetic and intellectually dishonest.

The book is fiction but based on fact. Lots of passages in the book were taken from Japanese history. Even if that passage was completely made up, it was an event that the author at least considered to be likely as well as the readers.
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Well, that wasn't worth the wait. So your point is that it's acceptable for marines to piss on dead enemies because you once read about two fictional characters taking a leak? I'm so glad to see you haven't lost those special qualities that make your posts really stand out.
 
TheAnachronism said:
Women studying engineering at a post-secondary institution? Asian-American males living in Flordia? Philologists between the ages of 45 and 70? "Coloreds"?
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Sorry to be a douche, but I dislike when people use the terms "minorty" or "minorities" in a context in which it is so vague as to be essentially meaningless. As to your final clause in general, do you mean to claim that service members* are better educated than the average "minority"** American, or that "minority" service members are better educated than the average American?

*what exactly does that term encompass?
**see above
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How's this:

The average servicemember is better educated than the average American. A servicemembers is mor likely to have completed HS, have some college, have an associates degree, have an undergraduate degree, and have a post-graduate degree.

Women are not minorities in American society. Women are minorities in military service. Women servicemembers are more likely to have completed HS, etc etc....

Minority servicemembers (non-whites, males and females) as a single group are better educated than their civilian counterparts.

The younger the servicemembers, the greater his/her education advantage over his age equal civilian peer.

Almost all servicemembers have a HS diploma. A majority of career enlisted persons have at least an associates degree. Almost all commissioned officers have an undergrad degree. Most field grade officers have a Masters degree. So, it is not likely that Soldiers are "dumb" in comparison to their closest civilian counterpart.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Interesting. You know, Richard Chamberland was not in the book.

I do not think you read much. Is that a correct assumption?

There was an earthquake in the book that almost wiped out an army camp that the Shogun had. Blackthorn and the Shogun survived and they were so overwhelmed with emotion by escaping what seemed to be certain death that the both urinated into the rift in the earth caused by the earth quake.

My point is that these marines faced death directly by these taliban. THeir actions remind me of that passage in the book.

For us to judge them in our civilian worlds is pathetic and intellectually dishonest.

The book is fiction but based on fact. Lots of passages in the book were taken from Japanese history. Even if that passage was completely made up, it was an event that the author at least considered to be likely as well as the readers.
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Lol! What makes you think all of us are & have always been civilians? Also, as I said, the Marines (& military ) as organizations have condemned this act.

Now then, can we just skip the rest of your trolling & go directly to the point where while you'll insist that they haven't done anything wrong on an internet forum you won't so much as send an email in their defense to the people who will try & most likely convict them?
 
What if the marines in question had been gay? Would you still support them then, Bill?
 
Bill Thompson said:
Interesting. You know, Richard Chamberland was not in the book.

I do not think you read much. Is that a correct assumption?

There was an earthquake in the book that almost wiped out an army camp that the Shogun had. Blackthorn and the Shogun survived and they were so overwhelmed with emotion by escaping what seemed to be certain death that the both urinated into the rift in the earth caused by the earth quake.

My point is that these marines faced death directly by these taliban. THeir actions remind me of that passage in the book.

For us to judge them in our civilian worlds is pathetic and intellectually dishonest.

The book is fiction but based on fact. Lots of passages in the book were taken from Japanese history. Even if that passage was completely made up, it was an event that the author at least considered to be likely as well as the readers.
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Bull. There is nothing special about military service in general or combat in particular that would confer a special understanding of this situation. I believe that what they did was wrong and might lead to the death of US servicemembers. Care to have either a general military or actual combat (Iraq or Astan) experience measuring contest with me?

And BTW, you picked a bad example from Shogun. A much better analogy could have been drawn from the part where a samurai pissed on Blackthorn's back. He did so because the act was nearly the ultimate insult - and the consensus was that it could never be forgiven and that satisfaction required a death.
 
sarge said:
Bull. There is nothing special about military service in general or combat in particular that would confer a special understanding of this situation. I believe that what they did was wrong and might lead to the death of US servicemembers. Care to have either a general military or actual combat (Iraq or Astan) experience measuring contest with me?

And BTW, you picked a bad example from Shogun. A much better analogy could have been drawn from the part where a samurai pissed on Blackthorn's back. He did so because the act was nearly the ultimate insult - and the consensus was that it could never be forgiven and that satisfaction required a death.
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Assuming they really did it and not just pretending?

Have you been in the military?

Why is it a better analaogy? Blackthorn was alive. Do you know the difference? Does it matter to you?

Do you know that earthquakes are not alive?
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I honestly think that even the most radical Islamic fundamentalists would understand this is war ...
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Yes but it's not them I'm worried about - this video is playing into the hands of the enemy when it comes to shaping world opinion. The fact that they taped it is worse to me than the fact they did it (if they did). The worst of both worlds is pretending to do it while videotaping it. Yes, let's get the world upset about something we didn't do.
 
If I met one of these Marines I'd look him right in the face and tell him, "urine trouble".
 
applecorped said:
If I met one of these Marines I'd look him right in the face and tell him, "urine trouble".
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What do you think of someone who blows his nose into a T-shirt and when he is loading a washing machine with close and just dumps the t-shirt in with all the other close.

I mean, maybe they were going to dispose of the corpse and they were just adding to what was alreadying going to be disposed.

OK, I am not completely serious in this particular post.
 
Minoosh said:
Yes but it's not them I'm worried about - this video is playing into the hands of the enemy when it comes to shaping world opinion. The fact that they taped it is worse to me than the fact they did it (if they did). The worst of both worlds is pretending to do it while videotaping it. Yes, let's get the world upset about something we didn't do.
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We will see. I just think that if the fact that we have been shooting at the taliban does not embolden the enemy, then this event won't.

I think that it is also odd that people think it is MORE digusting to urinate on a dead body than to shoot them when they are alive. We have been shooting at them for 10 years and somehow this act is more upsetting. So, using this logic, if we were throwing urine ballons out of a chopper it would be worse than shooting a minigun out of a chopper at them.
 
Redtail said:
... I guess you did forget bringing up Shogun. Do you read what you write?
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I don't understand you. What is the connection between Shogun and people being civilians?

I said "For us to judge them in our civilian worlds is pathetic and intellectually dishonest." Is that what you are getting at? It does not mean "I think you all have always been civilians" nor does it imply that.
 
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