Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Rolfe said:
BBC News 24 running an item on the trial now. Louisa Baldini says it's not clear whether the Kerchers will say anything before the verdict is announced.

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That's the same as Barbie's getting. Apparently they still don't know, even though the half hour is up. I suspect it would be a good sign for acquittal if they don't give it, and it is probably a good sign they're reconsidering it.


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Maresca just said they would let us know if/when in half an hour details of #meredithkercher presser. #amandaknox
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Carabinieri just arrived at san gallo hotel. Seems presser on hold for moment. #amandaknox
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British rep just told press he is going to talk to kercher fam and then tell us when/if they will speak. #amandaknox
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British high commission rep arrives at san gallo to support #meredithkercher family. #amandaknox
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press at san gallo hotel waiting #meredithkercher family presser. #amandaknox
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Where will Amanda and Raffaele physically wait? AT the courthouse at the prison? Do they get to see the family's...?

If Amanda and Raffaele are acquitted, could she go to the embassy and have the lawyers pick up the papers and belongings from prison? Raffaele, has his plans to I would imagine.... what an intense situation.

Due to the circumstances, I would want to be responding as far away from Migninni and his contacts asap. Migninni did shut down Franks blog, showing there is some game-playing going on and Migninni support in other places.
Migninni's Team have attacked and pulled in every contact they seem to have on this case, to suffocate those that disagree with him.

No doubt Migninni has been working overtime, to pull some kind of vindictive, under-handed and dishonest legal move to hold them in Perugia.

Maresca puppet, no doubt supporting his man Migninni. (and hoping to cash in on some more media time for the Calunnia trials).

Will be watching the body language when the Judges return....
 
JREF2010 said:
Where will Amanda and Raffaele physically wait? AT the courthouse at the prison? Do they get to see the family's...?

If Amanda and Raffaele are acquitted, could she go to the embassy and have the lawyers pick up the papers and belongings from prison? Raffaele, has his plans to I would imagine.... what an intense situation.

Due to the circumstances, I would want to be responding as far away from Migninni and his contacts asap. Migninni did shut down Franks blog, showing there is some game-playing going on and Migninni support in other places.
Migninni's Team have attacked and pulled in every contact they seem to have on this case, to suffocate those that disagree with him.

No doubt Migninni has been working overtime, to pull some kind of vindictive, under-handed and dishonest legal move to hold them in Perugia.

Maresca puppet, no doubt supporting his man Migninni. (and hoping to cash in on some more media time for the Calunnia trials).

Will be watching the body language when the Judges return....
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They'll be waiting at the prison according to the reports I've read.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Peggy Ganong is showing us once again how her group works to preserve the memory of Meredith Kercher on her website Perugia Murder File. They are currently talking about Rocco Girlanda and what he might give Amanda as a parting gift when she leaves Italy.

Peggy: "Howzabout a truffle-scented vibrator that buzzes to the tune of All You Need Is Love?"

Now that is class! Would Meredith appreciate Perugia Murder File? I highly doubt it.
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I would think that they would think the answer depends on how many smiley faces she attached to the comment.

I've always thought they overdid the smiley faces and other lovely "art".
 
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Raffaele mentioned that the police took away his shoes on that famous night. It seemed to me like he was trying to get across the point of it being dehumanising. "mi hanno anche portato via le scarpe", "They even took away my shoes". IIRC.
 
snook1 said:
They are in jail at the moment.
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Doesnt it seem they could allow a family visit for a few hours? The courts pride themself on being humane, no death penalty etc...

but then they dont allow much family time for the jailed?

seems odd.
 
Rolfe said:
The PMF contingent are going on about Raffaele having said something about his shoes. I just re-read the translation of his statement above and I can't see anything about shoes. Is the Italian for shoe anything like the Italian for bracelet, or what?

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He did talk about the shoes and thirtysome policemen around them for 10 hours.
It is about 6-7 minutes from the beginning of his statement.
 
What's this Quintavalle story?

Maybe this is why the prosecution was asking for a media blackout for the judges.

Why they didn't bring him back seemed a mistake for the court, unless they had already decided his testimony was not reliable.
 
snook1 said:
How is it a good sign if the Kerchers won't hold a press conference?
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Considering the nature of the press conferences Maresca's been giving, I'd guess that a change in plans like that might suggest a change in strategy. That might be coming from a changed situation, or someone finally accepting one that won't change....

Also, what purpose would a press conference while the jury is in deliberations serve? That was fraught with peril in my mind. Perhaps they meant to say sweet nothings about 'searching for truth' and the 'correct verdict,' but then again that's not what Maresca has been saying. It may also be they finally flew in and don't want to follow his strategy. I saw something strange on a recent mass-media production about the case, it might have been the 20/20 piece, near the end a segment about the Kerchers was presented, and it had a hurried quality about it, like it had been shot later and edited in at the end.

At any rate it detailed how the Kerchers, in direct contrast to what Maresca was saying at the time, were only interested in the truth of what happened, yadayadayada. At the time I mainly figured it just the wishful palp most media unfamiliar with the case say, I was expecting to hear 'reserved and dignified' at any moment, but I also recall thinking because of peripheral clues NOT coming from Maresca that it might possibly signify a shift in attitude, maybe coming to terms at least with the idea of an acquittal. Perhaps this press conference, if canceled, or just by being delayed, suggests a change in strategy by the family? Maresca had 'big plans' for them it appears, which perhaps have not come to fruition once they arrived.

That might be good news for everyone. :)
 
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We can only hope that those on PMF will find someone else to hate n' hate n' hate and hate

while they tread through the world without the faintest glimmer of understanding.

The appeal trial was an annhiliation. The prosecution trembles with fear...
 
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LondonJohn said:
I think that the defendants' spontaneous statements mean very little in terms of the judicial panel's decision-making. To me, the significance of these statements is based almost entirely upon the fact that such statements are allowed, and that it would look rather strange if people on trial for murder didn't make such statements.

I'd like to know more about Quintavalle and his apparent recantation. Is he now, I wonder, admitting that he didn't see Knox at all that morning, or is he only now saying that he saw her at (say) 8.15am rather than 7.45am? Of course, I've never believed that Quintavalle's testimony was reliable, accurate or true - in my opinion, Quintavalle has either been honestly mistaken or deliberately lying. If he is now trying to set the record straight, I wonder if he's looking for personal redemption in the face of the acquittals.

So, it appears that there is now a firm instruction that there will be no verdict before 8pm Italy time (7pm UK, 2pm EST). So much for my tentative theory about coordinating the verdict with US breakfast TV! I hope that Knox manages to get on a flight out of Rome some time today: I imagine that she has little appetite for spending the night in Italy.
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You make it sound so reasonable. Of course, eleventh hour pleas for justice should have no bearing on the verdict. Of course, the verdict should be based solely on hard fact.

And yet, as someone who rarely takes an interest in crime, I have to think lawyers have a reason for their theatrics. All those lawyers were histrionic. All made strong appeals to emotion. Even Maresca's rudeness during Raff's speech (turning his back and gaily chatting) was an attempt to manipulate impressions.

This is somewhat tangential, but I do think character matters. More accurately, I think mental health matters. I don't think reasonably normal people commit corpse rape and other atrocities in their spare time. Crimes of passion are another story: a passably sane person can become angry or jealous enough to put a bullet through the head of a cheating spouse. But a crime as brutal as Meredith's rape and murder... no way. I don't believe normals are capable of such acts. I don't believe the mental illness or miswired brain behind such acts can be hidden for four years. If Knox or Sollecito were that vicious, impulsive, or deranged, instances of related behaviors would have emerged. I'd bet a million bucks Rudy's cell mates have seen pathology that his lawyers have been careful to hide.

Where am I going with this? Mostly I'm stating one of the many reasons I know those two are innocent. But I'm hinting that normal behavior in the courtroom has an influence -and that the defendant's statements partially serve to remind the jury they're normals. Not that it's robust evidence: a psychopath can easily give an impressive speech, and IMO their behavior throughout the last four years is far more indicative of "character." Still it is a last minute reminder of their humanity. (Stregas have feelings too, you know.)

Quintavalle, pfft. Too late to recant. He's either looking to fend off a lawsuit or hoping to enjoy another fifteen minutes of fame.
 
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The time for the jury then goes into the summing up of the case, point by point, which will be performed presumably by assistant judge Zanetti. Then the questions of the jurors to the judges, if any. Lot’s of words. Then the only word counts: “innocent” or “guilty”.

The vote will take place. First the jurors, starting from the youngest up to the oldest. Then Zanetti, and the President as last.

The majority wins.

Haha, bet a predominantly female jury love being ranked in order of age :)
 
smkovalinksy said:
YouTube of Amanda's speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fFkJbZRiRc&feature=colike

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You missed the next one, SMK. :)


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Press conference with #meredithkercher at 4pm at san gallo hotel. #amandaknox
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Thus my guess is she means the Knox family will be speaking at the press conference and she's still not heard about the Kercher one, she just made a mistake initially tweeting it because it was on her mind.
 
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