Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Good. I'm glad it was an effective speech.

The translation left me wondering why the lawyers hadn't vetted their speeches. The argument "I have suffered" doesn't work on listeners who want them to suffer.

I liked the body language. Raff: speaking from his heart and gentle as a lamb. Amanda: grave, passionate, and full-blooded Italian.
 
It is ridiculous to claim "I did not speak because I was not asked" when he exercised his right to silence.

Did the prosecution ever attempt to interview him legally like they did Amanda in December of '07? That might well be what he means, they never attempted to set up a legal interview of him? You know they have rules in Italy for that sort of thing, they're not supposed to just take kids into the backrooms without lawyers and cameras and interrogate them as suspects when theoretically they're still witnesses....
 
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Good. I'm glad it was an effective speech.

The translation left me wondering why the lawyers hadn't vetted their speeches. The argument "I have suffered" doesn't work on listeners who want them to suffer.

I liked the body language. Raff: speaking from his heart and gentle as a lamb. Amanda: grave, passionate, and full-blooded Italian.

From my vantage point, Sollecito's presentation was very effective. Was Knox as good? Not sure. I don't know how her emotion would play for a jury. Would they see a poor, scared kid, or would they see the "spell-casting witch" who is able to fool everybody with her acting? And her repeated "I don't deserve this" might cause some observers to think "Meredith Kercher didn't deserve to have her life taken away at age 21; what you 'don't deserve' is meaningless compared to that. Why should it always be about you?"
 
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No translators, no cameras, no feed. Just webcam quality crap cobbled together

and that's when we're lucky. I couldnt find a single live translation of the press conference at the recess
 
Good god, that was painful to watch -- like reality TV produced and directed by Kafka.

Or like watching a gladiatorial game.
 
Raffaele did great. Amanda did great, too.
To give such a speech is really not easy. It's hard to imagine the pressure of basically fighting for your life.
 
From my vantage point, Sollecito's presentation was very effective. Was Knox as good? Not sure. I don't know how her emotion would play for a jury. Would they see a poor, scared kid, or would they see the "spell-casting witch" who is able to fool everybody with her acting? And her repeated "I don't deserve this" might cause some observers to think "Meredith Kercher didn't deserve to have her life taken away at age 21; what you 'don't deserve' is meaningless compared to that. Why should it always be about you?"

I had intended my post to be a reply to Komponisto's. He said he found Amanda's speech moving, and I was relieved to hear it.

I agree references to what one "deserves" should have been eliminated. Agree it was in their best interest to not give an impression of self-centeredness. Oh man, I hope that jury is reasonable.

Maresca chattered through Raff's speech like he was sunbathing on the deck of a cruise ship. No doubt he did the same through Amanda's.
 
I had intended my post to be a reply to Komponisto's. He said he found Amanda's speech moving, and I was relieved to hear it.

I agree references to what one "deserves" should have been eliminated. Agree it was in their best interest to not give an impression of self-centeredness. Oh man, I hope that jury is reasonable.

Maresca chattered through Raff's speech like he was sunbathing on the deck of a cruise ship. No doubt he did the same through Amanda's.

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Chatter in the press room that #amanaknox did a great job, #sollecito seemed scattered and incoherent What suppose jury talking about 1st?
 
This is what I got.

Raffaele addresses the court:

Says he's nervous and drinks water before reading his statement. Says he has suffered for years. He's never in his life hurt anybody. The charges against him are so out of character he has always thought sooner or later things will clear themselves up. Instead that din't happen. He had to endure day by day, it's like living in a nightmare, where things aren't right. Many years have gone by and the prosecution has called him Amanda's boyfriend who has killed for no reason.... It's a game of words. When a person has been condemned to life imprisonment, everything in jail at the end of the day is like a death. He has heard that people say he has accused Amanda. That is false. There are words that have been used. That's what his lawyers have said to him... There were like 30 policemen around them for like ten hours. He just wanted to get home and find someone to help them. That is the reason for those statements that night. The weapon has been discussed. People say he has accused Guede. That is false. He has no interest talking about him. He never met him. He never heard his name before the trial. Not an acquaintance. He knows him better from court. He's passed him by in court and that's it. It's silly having to repeat it, but it's the truth. Amanda and he are in jail for over 1400 days. Tiny things reach an enormous importance, like acaress or comforting word. Those are signs of affection, tenderness that in a way for a minute help you forget problems. Amanda's family are here from the other side of the world just to be with her. My family have done everything, sacrifices so he could confront this process and come out of this situation. From the beginning he thought it would be quickly solved, but that hasn't happened. Says the prosecution has never asked him questions, he doesn't know why. He could explain everything, but they never ask. So he's here to say freely the facts he's gone through and what he is.
He was just days from presenting his phd. Then he met Amanda, a beautiful girl. Shining, happy, very sweet. It was the first weekend they were going to spend together. Herboss had given her free time. His friend Jovana had asked him to go to the bus station. Then she said she didn't need it anymore. They were then free that night. Only wish was to spend the evening in tenderness and hugs, nothing else. What we wished was just to be together, nothing else.
They just want to overcome this. Not much to say otherwise. He wants to make an homage if he's allowed. A bracelet that says "Free Amanda and Raffaele" that he's never taken off. It's yellow now. Now is the moment to take it off. This bracelet... there are lots of emotions in it. The wish of justice, the efforts towards light from this black tunnel. Also, the wish of freedom. The bracelet represents the past. New future, new hopes that he thinks they deserve. Thanks the court.

Amanda addresses the court:

"I'ma bit nervous. I'm the same person I was 4 years ago. The only thing different is my suffering. In 4 years I've lost my friends in the most terrible and unexplainable way. My trust in the authorities and police has been damaged. I've had to face charges that are unfair without basis, and I'm paying with my life for something I haven't done. 4 years ago I was younger. But I was also fundamentally younger, because I had never suffered in my life. I didn't know tragedy. It awas something on TV. I never had to face so much fear, tragedy, suffering. I didn't know how to interpret this. Face it. Internalize it when I found out Meredith had been murdered. I couldn't believe it. Howwas it possible? Then I was scared because a person with whom I'd been sharing my life, abedroom next to mine, has been murdered. And if I had been there that night i"d be dead as she is. The only difference was I was at Raffaele's. And also later because I had no one. He was everything to me at that moment. At that time I owe everything to him. I had a sense of duty to the authorities and I trusted them because they were there to find whow as guilty and I trusted them blindly, absolutely. I put myself at their disposal comepletely in those days. The night of the 5th November I had just been arrested, manipulated. I am not what they say I am. Perversity, violence. I repsect life and people, and haven't doe the things they suggest. I haven't raped, murdered, stolen. I wasn't present for that crime. I didn't know Rudy. I remember the police asked me to give a list of all the poeple Meredith and I had met and I mentioned of a black guy that we had met with the boys downstairs, but I didn't even know his name. I never had contact with him. They say I knew him, no. I have never done the things they say I have done. They say 'It just happens like that'. I had a good relationship with my flatmates, I was untidy, but we had a very good relationship. I was sharing ,my life with Meredith. We were friends. We would get worried for me when I would go to work. ALways kimd to me. Meredith has been murdered. And I always wanted justice for her. I never tried toe scape the truth. I insist that after 4 desperate years, our innocence, because it's true and it has to be defended and recognized. I want to go back home, back to my life. I don'r want to be punished, to have my life taken away from me for things I haven't committed because I am innocent. Raffaele is innocent. And (she pauses) I deserve freedom because we have done nothing to deserve this. I have high respect for this court and would like to thank you and for this reason justice."

I thought the highlited statements should have been effective, especially to the Kerchers. They both disavowed having known Guede. Raffaele never even met the guy before court. Yet they are accused by idiots of having participated in a "sex game gone wrong" with Guede.

Incredible that 100 percent don't believe that the prosecution's case is a complete farce.
 
Still stunned by how many people think AK are RS are guilty (eg on twitter/forums)- most of them probably haven't looked at how the defence have demolished the "evidence" used in the 1st trial. Sickening to read all the misogynistic comments about how AK is a slut/slag/whore - what century are these people living in?
 
No translators, no cameras, no feed. Just webcam quality crap cobbled together

and that's when we're lucky. I couldnt find a single live translation of the press conference at the recess

what makes you think you have a divine right for such things?

i suppose that 3rd world place italy is to blame? not your american news teams or press.
 
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I think that the defendants' spontaneous statements mean very little in terms of the judicial panel's decision-making. To me, the significance of these statements is based almost entirely upon the fact that such statements are allowed, and that it would look rather strange if people on trial for murder didn't make such statements.

I'd like to know more about Quintavalle and his apparent recantation. Is he now, I wonder, admitting that he didn't see Knox at all that morning, or is he only now saying that he saw her at (say) 8.15am rather than 7.45am? Of course, I've never believed that Quintavalle's testimony was reliable, accurate or true - in my opinion, Quintavalle has either been honestly mistaken or deliberately lying. If he is now trying to set the record straight, I wonder if he's looking for personal redemption in the face of the acquittals.

So, it appears that there is now a firm instruction that there will be no verdict before 8pm Italy time (7pm UK, 2pm EST). So much for my tentative theory about coordinating the verdict with US breakfast TV! I hope that Knox manages to get on a flight out of Rome some time today: I imagine that she has little appetite for spending the night in Italy.
 
No translators, no cameras, no feed. Just webcam quality crap cobbled together

The "webcam quality" was due to the court's decision not to allow live news cameras in the courtroom. Therefore, the only way to get video was to shoot off the video monitor showing the official court feed to the press room. It was, indeed, crap, but not anything the media could control.

The King5.com (NBC) feed did have simultaneous translation, but by someone who sounded not very skilled at conveying rapidly-spoken Italian, and had trouble pronouncing English. Once again, I don't know if this was a court- or network-appointed translator. If the latter, I'd agree with your assessment; otherwise, I'd guess the networks had little control over the matter.

When you said they "dropped the ball," I thought you meant their own reporting was poor or biased.
 
what makes you think you have a divine right for such things?

i suppose that 3rd world place italy is to blame? not your american news teams or press.
Those are both stupid comments, yeti. The poster was claiming about the news coverage on American news networks. And it isn't a matter of "divine right" to expect a major news-reporting organization to, you know, report the news in as professional and clear a manner as possible.
 
what makes you think you have a divine right for such things?

i suppose that 3rd world place italy is to blame? not your american news teams or press.

Gee, the entire city of Perugia is crammed with satellite trucks. You would think there would be one decent video feed.
 
I think that the defendants' spontaneous statements mean very little in terms of the judicial panel's decision-making. To me, the significance of these statements is based almost entirely upon the fact that such statements are allowed, and that it would look rather strange if people on trial for murder didn't make such statements.
I'd like to know more about Quintavalle and his apparent recantation. Is he now, I wonder, admitting that he didn't see Knox at all that morning, or is he only now saying that he saw her at (say) 8.15am rather than 7.45am? Of course, I've never believed that Quintavalle's testimony was reliable, accurate or true - in my opinion, Quintavalle has either been honestly mistaken or deliberately lying. If he is now trying to set the record straight, I wonder if he's looking for personal redemption in the face of the acquittals.

So, it appears that there is now a firm instruction that there will be no verdict before 8pm Italy time (7pm UK, 2pm EST). So much for my tentative theory about coordinating the verdict with US breakfast TV! I hope that Knox manages to get on a flight out of Rome some time today: I imagine that she has little appetite for spending the night in Italy.

The statements have to align with the evidence in order to be believable. The fact that they were able to make strong and plausible statements is testimony to the lack of evidence.

Thanks for the 2pm EST estimate on the verdict!

Amanda could have screwed it up so badly with an unintentional slip of some type! Whew!

Gee, the entire city of Perugia is crammed with satellite trucks. You would think there would be one decent video feed.

Ha! Good one!
 
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