Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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LondonJohn said:
I think that the defendants' spontaneous statements mean very little in terms of the judicial panel's decision-making. To me, the significance of these statements is based almost entirely upon the fact that such statements are allowed, and that it would look rather strange if people on trial for murder didn't make such statements.

I'd like to know more about Quintavalle and his apparent recantation. Is he now, I wonder, admitting that he didn't see Knox at all that morning, or is he only now saying that he saw her at (say) 8.15am rather than 7.45am? Of course, I've never believed that Quintavalle's testimony was reliable, accurate or true - in my opinion, Quintavalle has either been honestly mistaken or deliberately lying. If he is now trying to set the record straight, I wonder if he's looking for personal redemption in the face of the acquittals.

So, it appears that there is now a firm instruction that there will be no verdict before 8pm Italy time (7pm UK, 2pm EST). So much for my tentative theory about coordinating the verdict with US breakfast TV! I hope that Knox manages to get on a flight out of Rome some time today: I imagine that she has little appetite for spending the night in Italy.
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I have found most of your analysis to be pretty spot on, LJ, but I did think your thought about the US morning programs was a miss. I can't imagine why an Italian court would care about having a verdict ready for US morning shows, especially when those shows do not even draw the largest viewing numbers (comparably speaking) in the US. The main purpose for that would be to make it convenient for US residents to get the verdict before they go to work or school, but otherwise would serve little purpose. The main reason the morning show anchors are in Perugia is that those shows tend to be more human interest based vs. the news programming on later in the day.
 
LondonJohn said:
So, it appears that there is now a firm instruction that there will be no verdict before 8pm Italy time (7pm UK, 2pm EST). So much for my tentative theory about coordinating the verdict with US breakfast TV! I hope that Knox manages to get on a flight out of Rome some time today: I imagine that she has little appetite for spending the night in Italy.
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If Knox is acquitted, I doubt she'll be able to get out tonight, as her passport has apparently expired while she is in prison, and she would need to go to the American embassy in Rome for a new one. While temporary passports can generally be issued on the same day, I'm pretty sure that, if the verdict comes down at 8:00 P.M. local time, the soonest she'd be able to get to Rome would be after midnight, seeing as she'd first have to return to prison to do the final paperwork and pick up her belongings, so I doubt any passport could be issued until sometime mid-day tomorrow.

Personally, I hope the U.S. Embassy there has a 24-hour presence because, if I were the Knox family and she were acquitted, the first thing I would do would be to head straight for the Embassy (which is, legally, U.S. soil) and not leave from there until all documents were ready, just in case Mignini decides to fabricate some new charge to arrest her on so that she could be thrown back in prison until the Supreme Court appeal is over. For that matter, I would request a U.S. diplomatic escort to the airport as well.
 
yeti101 said:
i'm sure there is just not where you are.
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I was replying to your comment about someone expecting it as a birthright. Doesn't seem like anything that extraordinary to expect with so much talk of all the TV trucks in town.
 
Dougm said:
I have found most of your analysis to be pretty spot on, LJ, but I did think your thought about the US morning programs was a miss. I can't imagine why an Italian court would care about having a verdict ready for US morning shows, especially when those shows do not even draw the largest viewing numbers (comparably speaking) in the US. The main purpose for that would be to make it convenient for US residents to get the verdict before they go to work or school, but otherwise would serve little purpose. The main reason the morning show anchors are in Perugia is that those shows tend to be more human interest based vs. the news programming on later in the day.
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Yes, it was only idle speculation on my behalf - it was not ever intended to be a firm prediction, merely an "I wonder if...." sort of thing.

In passing, I see that .org is keeping up its quota of disgusting, misanthropic bile towards the defendants (particularly Knox). Here's a particularly unpleasant example:

I'm watching. Good to see AK looking haggard. Hope she didn't sleep a wink. That goes for RS as well.
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...which not only didn't get criticised on their closed little community of hate, but actually prompted the following response:

I think her "haggard" look is part of the stagecraft of "poor innocent Amanda." Yeah, I'm cynical.
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Truly revolting. And I see that the Seattle-based pro-guilt commentators appear pleased to have seemingly ferreted out the location of the gathering of pro-acquittal/pro-innocence/family/friends in downtown Seattle today. I have little doubt that at least some of these maladjusted individuals will deliberately go to the venue to lurk (at best) or provoke confrontation (at worst). I trust that the group meeting there, the hotel's own security staff, and the Seattle police, are all adequately prepared for such action, and are ready to deal with it appropriately.
 
The PMF contingent are going on about Raffaele having said something about his shoes. I just re-read the translation of his statement above and I can't see anything about shoes. Is the Italian for shoe anything like the Italian for bracelet, or what?

Rolfe.
 
LondonJohn said:
In passing, I see that .org is keeping up its quota of disgusting, misanthropic bile towards the defendants (particularly Knox). Here's a particularly unpleasant example:

I'm watching. Good to see AK looking haggard. Hope she didn't sleep a wink. That goes for RS as well.
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I saw that too. Turned my stomach.
 
I hope both of them make millions from book deals or whatever after the acquittals (which will come, even if it takes the European Court of Human Rights). This crazy affair has changed their lives irrevocably, and almost certainly changed them irrevocably. What are the chances of them being able to pick up the pieces of their former lives and start to forge a normal career after all that has happened?

I was thinking about John McCarthy, who has managed to return to his previous normal life after many years as a hostage in Beirut. It took a long time though, and he was an adult with an established career at the beginning of it all. (And still, when I hear him reporting on the radio, I can't help but remember the events of the 1980s.)

Knox and Sollecito were students, with no career established, and at a crucial stage in their lives when everything was derailed. And they were imprisoned legally, with criminal charges hanging over them which many people may still in their ignorance believe were not ill-founded. Their conditions of imprisonment were far better than McCarthy's, but their conditions of release may not be so favourable.

So if they do get rich on the back of this, so that they're not so dependent on forging a successful career to get on in life, I for one will not be complaining too loudly.

Rolfe.
 
BBC News 24 running an item on the trial now. Louisa Baldini says it's not clear whether the Kerchers will say anything before the verdict is announced.

Rolfe.
 
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Dougm said:
I was replying to your comment about someone expecting it as a birthright. Doesn't seem like anything that extraordinary to expect with so much talk of all the TV trucks in town.
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i think it shows its not important enough for them or their viewers.
 
lane99 said:
Sounds like a "farewell, cruel world" message to me. Good riddance. S/he/it won't be missed.

It really should be sickening to see such people, pathetic nobodies who've suffered no personal harm or greivance through this, co-opting the Kercher and Knox family tragedies to try and prop themselves up onto a pedestal.
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Perfectly expressed. At best, drama queens. At worst, disgusting emotional vampires.
 
Rolfe said:
The PMF contingent are going on about Raffaele having said something about his shoes. I just re-read the translation of his statement above and I can't see anything about shoes. Is the Italian for shoe anything like the Italian for bracelet, or what?

Rolfe.
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Huh. I recall hearing something about shoes too, and I think perhaps I may know what it's about, however I've not read specifically what they're posting about, I won't pop in there until...later...I want to see how close they get to 240 today... ;)

However, for Raffaele when they were done with him the night of the Fifth as far as we know he just sat there while they went after Amanda. At some point they came in to get his shoes, from which they would mis-attribute the tread of, and for six weeks think they matched Rudy's left in the murder room.

Well, they weren't in any hurry to get Raffaele his shoes back, his sat there in the room barefoot and I do believe they even transported him to prison shoeless. It apparently was one of the indignities that really annoyed him, he's mentioned it, notably in his diaries.

Naturally to some people Raffaele mentioning the loss of his shoes in his diary was gauche to the extreme, a sign of how pampered his existence was, and how petty his concerns. Some people don't have shoes! How dare Raffaele care about that when he should be contemplating his errors hooking up with Witchgirls and murderering their roommates!

Thus that might have been what that was about, and I do seem to recall at one point I heard him mention shoes, and then he kind of trailed off.
 
There are rumours that the Kerchers will hold a press conference before the verdict.

Also, I have read this on Facebook:

Murder In Italy, the Amanda Knox story by Candace Dempsey
‎#amandaKnox Verdict expected before 8 pm., maybe earlier. I was in courthouse.
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DarkStar2011 said:
...which is, of course, why they're all in Perugia in the first place.
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not difficult to figure out they're there for the verdict

why do you think its not broadcast live in its entirety on american tv? becuase its too important?
 
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Farnk on the deliberation and vote:

The time for the jury then goes into the summing up of the case, point by point, which will be performed presumably by assistant judge Zanetti. Then the questions of the jurors to the judges, if any. Lot’s of words. Then the only word counts: “innocent” or “guilty”.

The vote will take place. First the jurors, starting from the youngest up to the oldest. Then Zanetti, and the President as last.

The majority wins.
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