Merged Lockerbie bomber alive after 9 months

[Rolfe]

Somebody gets it, anyway.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29066.htm

The entirely predictable indictment of Gaddafi before the "international court" at The Hague evokes the charade of the dying "Lockerbie bomber", Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, whose "heinous crime" has been deployed to promote the west's ambitions in Libya. In 2009, Al-Megrahi was sent back to Libya by the Scottish authorities not for compassionate reasons, as reported, but because his long-awaited appeal would have confirmed his innocence and described how he was framed by the Thatcher government, as the late Paul Foot's landmark expose revealed. As an antidote to the current propaganda, I urge you to read a forensic demolition of el-Melgrahi's "guilt" and its political meaning in Dispatches from the Dark Side: on torture and the death of justice (Verso) by the distinguished human rights lawyer, Gareth Peirce.

Rolfe.

 

[Alt+F4]

On August 29th it was reported that:

Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi 'at death's door'

That must be one huge door!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/29/lockerbie-bomber-al-megrahi-coma

 

[CTB]

That must be one huge door!

well, we've all got to get through it.


CTB

 

[Rolfe]

If his family are exaggerating the seriousness of his condition at the moment, I scarcely find it in myself to blame them. They are in an absolutely horrible position. Their 59-year-old husband, father and son is dying of cancer. Their protection has been taken away by the civil war that has engulfed their country. And a bunch of vindictive Americans are screaming for him to be kidnapped and sent to America to be jailed or even killed.

Not an enviable situation, I fear. Even if you exclude the poor man having been jailed for over ten years for a crime he quite obviously didn't commit.

Rolfe.

 

[Alt+F4]

They are in an absolutely horrible position. Their 59-year-old husband, father and son is dying of cancer. Their protection has been taken away by the civil war that has engulfed their country.

Lots of people are dying of cancer right now in Libya and in the rest of the world and didn't have a dictator protecting them and providing them with treatment for years.

And a bunch of vindictive Americans are screaming for him to be kidnapped and sent to America to be jailed or even killed.

Evidence? Of course not.

Even if you exclude the poor man having been jailed for over ten years for a crime he quite obviously didn't commit.

He's been convicted of the murder of 270 people. Your "Google Justice" means nothing in the real world.

 

[Rolfe]

Lots of people are dying of cancer right now in Libya and in the rest of the world and didn't have a dictator protecting them and providing them with treatment for years.

I think the advantages and disadvantages of the Libyan healthcare system are outwith the scope of this discussion. None of the other cancer patients in Libya are being hunted by journalists (definitely) and the SAS and the CIA (allegedly) with the aim of discrediting their diagnosis and interrogating them about a crime they had nothing to do with.

Evidence? Of course not.

What, are you living under a rock? It's been all over the news for weeks if not months.

He's been convicted of the murder of 270 people. Your "Google Justice" means nothing in the real world.

Ah yes, the standard get-out of someone who knows nothing at all about the case, and has no intention of finding out.

He's no more guilty than the West Memphis Three, and there's no more evidence against him than there ever was against them.

Rolfe.

 

[Alt+F4]

What, are you living under a rock? It's been all over the news for weeks if not months.

Got it. You have no evidence that:

...a bunch of vindictive Americans are screaming for him to be kidnapped and sent to America to be jailed or even killed.

Please, name this bunch of vindictive Americans who are:
1. screaming;
2. that he should be kidnapped;
3. sent to America;
4. be killed;

Ah yes, the standard get-out of someone who knows nothing at all about the case, and has no intention of finding out.

He's no more guilty than the West Memphis Three, and there's no more evidence against him than there ever was against them.

Again, your "Google Justice" means nothing.

 

[zooterkin]

Please, name this bunch of vindictive Americans who are:
1. screaming;
2. that he should be kidnapped;
3. sent to America;
4. be killed;

It's been mentioned in this thread before. More than one person reported reading about it. Oddly enough, one of them was you.

There are already some lawmakers making noise about getting this mass murderer back in custody.

Yes, I read that too but since there are no American "boots on the ground" in Libya I doubt it will happen.

 

[Rolfe]

Got it. You have no evidence that:

Please, name this bunch of vindictive Americans who are:
1. screaming;
2. that he should be kidnapped;
3. sent to America;
4. be killed;

Oh, google it yourself if your attention span is so short. Duggan, Lautenberg and Menezes might be good terms to start with. Not to mention certain posts in this very thread, some of which may now be found in AAH.

Again, your "Google Justice" means nothing.

On the contrary, your glib dismissal means nothing. The mountain of evidence pointing away from Megrahi and to a different modus operandi and different perpetrators doesn't go away just because you prefer to remain uninformed.

Pi still doesn't equal three, even if a court says it does.

Rolfe.

 

[SnidelyW]

The political situation regarding P/A 103 and culpability will be borne out only in historical footnotes. My opinion is that certain folks will be taking secrets to their graves.

The reality is the physical evidence will be the final arbiter of historical conclusion.

 

[Bunntamas]

got it. You have no evidence...:

Again, your "google justice" means nothing.

Thank you!

~B.

 

[Bunntamas]

The political situation regarding P/A 103 and culpability will be borne out only in historical footnotes. My opinion is that certain folks will be taking secrets to their graves.

Sadly, I must agree with you there. The former Libyan regime, including Megrahi are nothing but liars and murderers who would rather see their families suffer and / or be killed before they give up any information about who gave them orders (which he / they carried out) to murder masses of innocents.

The reality is the physical evidence will be the final arbiter of historical conclusion.

And the historical , REAL conclusion will be that Megrahi will die (hopefully soon) a REAL guilty, convicted mass muderer, alongside his former Libyan government, REAL mass murdering comrades.


~B

 

[Architect]

Bunntamas

I started a thread here regarding the US and UK intelligence services' dealings with aforementioned mass murdering regime during the early part of the noughties and would welcome your views on how either government, including your own, could justify such a position given the concerns about Libya.

 

[zooterkin]

Bunntamas

I started a thread here regarding the US and UK intelligence services' dealings with aforementioned mass murdering regime during the early part of the noughties and would welcome your views on how either government, including your own, could justify such a position given the concerns about Libya.

This thread?

 

[Rolfe]

Robert Black had a blog post about this a few days ago. The proverbial dog not barking.

So much foaming at the mouth about how invasion of Libya would uncover evidence about how the Lockerbie bombing was accomplished. How Musa Kusa knew everything. Well, Musa Kusa was interviewed by the cops and sent on his way. Apparently he wasn't able to provide any help. And while a bunch of embarrassing stuff did show up when Tripoli was overrun, nothing at all about Lockerbie.

I don't know how far the physical evidence gets anyone. The problem is that there's NO evidence that what Megrahi was alleged to have done (or rather facilitated) actually happened at all. On the contrary, there is "considerable and compelling" evidence that says it didn't. If you spend decades trying to find out "more" about something that didn't happen in the first place, it's maybe not that surprising that you fail to make any progress.

Rolfe.

 

[Buncrana]

Shhhhh...keep it quiet but there's been some reports recently that letters and documents found in Tripoli reveal that Tony Blair visited Gadaffi at least three times in a concerted effort to facilitate Megrahi's release. Explicitly for oil deals and Tony's other favourite hobbiy apart from lying through this teeth, accumulating dough.

But shhhhhh....keep it mum, no one is especially keen to talk about this grubby little deal attempted by the darling of US senators. Eh, Mr Menedeze and Lautenberg.

Can I propose that the aforementioned senators (inc. Duggan et al) would have been positively foaming and apoplectic had someone like, oh I don't know, say Alex Salmond been conducting such soirees.

Anyway, as I say, keep it schtum and let's hope that no one will notice..


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[Rolfe]

It's like they were all set up for a revelation that there was some connection between the Scottish government and the oil deals, and when that wasn't what emerged, they didn't know what to say so they went all quiet.

I don't know if they still think something is going to emerge to tell them more about something that didn't happen (that is the smuggling of a bomb on board KM180), or if they're just letting it slide. One thing I don't expect any time soon is a banner headline revealing that nothing found in Libya confirms that Megrahi had anything to do with the bombing. It's just too embarrassing to admit it.

Rolfe.

 

[CTB]

The real harsh truth to the public perception of The Lockerbie Bombing is that it's solved. A Libyan did it.

Everyone I've spoken to recently in the place that I live ( Channel Islands ) is convinced. Can they name him? Nope. Can they say how it was done? Nope. Are they at all interested? Certainly not.

All 270 murders 20yrs ago, and more, actually do count for nothing. It's hard to believe isn't it?

I joined this forum many months ago thinking I'd find someone with an argument to point towards something concrete to pin on Mr Megrahi ( hell, I'd have settled for something vague ) but to find nothing was really very surprising. I've also clearly missed the point in the trial transcripts that convinces those that are so sure. I am also unable to interpret the opinion of the court into a guilty verdict, a thing of itself which beggars belief.

There are no secrets to be found in Libya. I reckon this is because no-one's looking. Why is no-one looking? I refer you to the first sentence of this paragraph.

The secrets belong to the trial judges themselves.

I am genuinely sorry for those that have lost. When Mr Megrahi dies, this controversy won't. It will become a curiosity of history unless a Scottish government, judiciary and police force is willing to open itself up to public ridicule. Two words for that possibilty: Shirley McKie.




CTB

 

[geni]

It's like they were all set up for a revelation that there was some connection between the Scottish government and the oil deals, and when that wasn't what emerged, they didn't know what to say so they went all quiet.

I don't know if they still think something is going to emerge to tell them more about something that didn't happen (that is the smuggling of a bomb on board KM180), or if they're just letting it slide. One thing I don't expect any time soon is a banner headline revealing that nothing found in Libya confirms that Megrahi had anything to do with the bombing. It's just too embarrassing to admit it.

Rolfe.

Thing is all the found material is recent stuff. Nothing going back more than a decade.

 

[Bunntamas]

Bunntamas

I started a thread here regarding the US and UK intelligence services' dealings with aforementioned mass murdering regime during the early part of the noughties and would welcome your views on how either government, including your own, could justify such a position given the concerns about Libya.

Suddenly you "welcome" [my] views. Seriously? Really????
ROTFL.