Split Thread A full theory of 9/11

[bill smith]

Nonsense.



Correct. You, the truthers, can't actually prove anything.



Nonsense.



Yes. Mines quotes, quirks selected with a bias the size of Manhattan...



Proof positive of WHAT? No truther in 10 years has ever written down a complete theory that explains all the known evidence, is internally consistent, does not assume unknown technology with magic properties, and is not the commonly accepted story itself.



Nonsense.
There is nothing to be proven. No alternative story fits what we know already, and digging up a few additional bits and pieces won't change that situation. More realistically, it will make the world even more embarassing for truthers.

You say that nobody has a consistent theory ? Try me out on an aspect that you want to know about ?....tick tock,tick tock..lol

 

[Oystein]

You say that nobody has a consistent theory ? Try me out on an aspect that you want to know about ?

I don't want aspects. Aspects are, by definition, not a full theory.
I want a full theory.
Is yours written down somewhere? Linky, please!

 

[bill smith]

I don't want aspects. Aspects are, by definition, not a full theory.
I want a full theory.
Is yours written down somewhere? Linky, please!

I will start wherever you want and follow that in the subsequent posts making a whole contiguous story. Well ?

 

[Oystein]

I will start whereever you want and follow that in the subsquent post making a whole story. Well ?

So you have none? I thought so. As I said: After 10 years, no-one in the entire TM has ever successfully proposed such a theory without introducing many obvious failures.

But if you must:

Start at the beginning.
Keep going until you finish the full theory.
Then stop.

 

[bill smith]

So you have none? I thought so. As I said: After 10 years, no-one in the entire TM has ever successfully proposed such a theory without introducing many obvious failures.

But if you must:

Start at the beginning.
Keep going until you finish the full theory.
Then stop.

Okay Oystein. I will write this in the form of conversations between conspirators. The facts are clear from the conversations.


Conspirator 1: There must be a hundred tons of that nanothermite paint stuff on those pallets of barrels. How are we supposed to plant that in the Trade Centres without being seen ?

Conspirator 2: We've developed a sweet little system especially for this, See these core columns coloured red on this plan ? Well we're poing to pump this stuff right INSIDE those selected hollow columns. Thev've all been sealed...no holes anymore. We may have to even fill them section by section right up as far as the 88th floor or so.

Conspirator 1: At night ?

Conspirator 2: Mostly I guess, but we could do it in the day too if we want, You just have to have those paint tanks on wheels full of the stuff. You wear overalls like maintenance guys and if anybody asks what uou're doing you just tell them it's to do with the fireproofing or painting or cleaning or something. It's only a matter of inserting a tube into a specially drilled hole and get pumping. Nobody will notice a thing.

Conspirator 1: How will they spark it off then.

Conspirator 2: programmable wireless detonators and redundant relays all over the place. No sweat.

Conspirator 1: Speak for yourself boss. Me and the boys will be the ones dragging those things around.

 

[bill smith]

Conspirator 1: Will the building not fall down when they melt the selected core columns. At least 40% of them are marked in red.

Conspirator 2: Nah, no chance . There's three times as many columns as needed in the core,or to be more precise there is a safety factor of three.for the core . It can stand the loss of 15 or even 20 selected columns of the 47. It won't be for long anyway. The main worry is that the building will be seen to settle a bit as it finds it's new equilibrium.

Conspirator 1: How did anybody come up with this plan anyway ?

Conspirator 2: When this building was originally designed and built the owners and insurers insisted that we have a way to bring it down. The insurers because if it should ever threaten to topple over on the other billion- dollar real estate around here the costs to them would be enormous. So they needed a way to bring it down fast if such a threat was evolving. The owner to keep his insurance premiums at a payable level and in the hopes that he might be able to demo it in the future at the end of it's life. Dismantling the thing floor by floor would have cost maybe 15 or 20 billion dollars. Right now they would never allow such a tall building to be pulled....but in the future ? Maybe.


Consprator 1: So they melt these marked columns in a fast sequence from bottom to top and the liquid steel drops down through the holes where the columns used to be. Wow. Right into the basement. BUt surely the fierce white light iof the nanothermite will be seeen from outside ?

Consirator 2: That where the fireproofing comes in. It also makes terrific lightproofing as well as acting as a pipe to keep the steel going straight down. At 2000-3000 centigrade or so it turns glassy.

Consprator 1: So all this melted steel will be in the basement ? Maybe 15,000 tons of it ?

Conspirator 2: Some of the guys say that there is a special cavity under the building and they will blow out a portion of the lowest basement floor to allow the 15,000 tons to mostly drain down there. It won't all go down of course but most of it will.

Conspirator 1: Fascinating. We must have another chat after it is all done.

 

[Oystein]

Okay Oystein.
...a hundred tons of that nanothermite paint ... pump this stuff right INSIDE those selected hollow columns.... At night ... You wear overalls ... inserting a tube into a specially drilled hole and get pumping. ... programmable wireless detonators and redundant relays all over the place. ...

You didn't start at the beginning as requested.
*sigh*
Keep going. Soooooo much missing till you have a full theory.

 

[bill smith]

Conspirator 1: Five weeks ago already. Time sure flies. How do you assess the the operation ? Any residual problems ?

Conspirator 2: A few. Could be worse I suppose. After the flight 93/WTC7 fiasco there is no more hope that 'conspiracy theories' will not take off big time. The Sheeple are still in a deep state of shock and are not thinking too much that way yet. When they begin to snap out of their trance many will realise what happened. Some already do. The battle will likely be on the internet. Forums mostly but the Pentagon has been training what it calls 'propaganda assets' to provide interference there. There are several thousand of them I believe. Their job is to argue but basically simply to say 'no' to anything the CT's will say. Very effective technique actually.Tried and tested.

Conspirator 1: I was thinking more of the Tower CD's.

Conspirator 2: Well the steel is in the basement as planned but it seems no matter how much water we drown it in the steel will not cool. The scientists say that it has now formed a skin and is radiating and transmitting a little less heat but still enough to melt the firemen's nboots 70 feet above through all the rubble. They say it could take a hundred days or more to cool down there's that much of it.We had to stop pumping water in because train sstations as far away as New jersey were threatening to flood. They pumped 4 million gallons back into the Hudson I heard.

Then there is that damned column that didn't melt clean in Tower 2. There must have been a delay or blockage and the 80th floor columns did not melt at the exact moment.But the columns above did and some of the melted steel flowed across the floor and poured out the window. My blood froze I can tell you. We'll hear more about that.

Another worry is that where the water met the giant pool of molten steel we will find steel and concrete and everything else all half-melted together. I bet chunks of it will be called 'meteorites' or something like that.


Conspirator 1: So not a clean operation at all really was it ? I suppose as long as we can keep it on the internet it will be essentially harmless. Maybe not forever though.

 

[bill smith]

Chopper Pilot. Grpund control..cameras are rolling. T1 has been struck and is burning. Lots of smoke How long to second contact?

Ground Control. About 15. We're broadcasting and phones are ringing off the hook all over the country. Millions gonna see this one. It's a biggie too. Better than the movies.

Chopper Pilot. Roger that control. And strike 3 ? The stage is set.. all choppers in position with tape rolling. I guess this one will be the biggest,hottest enchillada ever.

Ground control. No word yet but it's dialled in soon after T2. The sheeple won't know what hit them. Talk about shock and awe.

Chopper Pilot. Roger and out control.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Ahhh, Bill, I get it now. All your posts start to make sense to me now.

Only one question:

Shouldn't you post this in 'Humor'?

Hans

 

[bill smith]

Conspirator 1: Damn,flight 93 is still stuck on the runway. It won't be here in time.

Conspirator 2: Try not to panic. We can still improvise.

Conspirator 1: 7 is wired and ready to go, If the plane doesn't get here how can we possibly demo the building ?Everybody will know it's a CD But if we don't do it, the nanothermite charges will be found. The weakening of the building too

Conspirator 2: Look,send some of the guys into the building and make sure they are not seen hear. Let them light fires all over the place . Give it a few hours and the place will be an inferno and we can go ahead and pull it under that cover. It's not perfect,but I don't think we have an alternative unless you can come up with something ?.

Conspirator 1: Jeez, it might just work. Get them to recalibrate the charges from top-down to bottom-up in the meantime. Can't have it collapsing from the top down without a plane, can we ?

Conspirator 1: Anything we are forgetting ? ...Think man.

Conspirator 2: Um....Won't the fires ignite the thermite charges too soon ?

Conspitaor 2: I don't think so. They're well covered in fireproofing way beyond the heat that these fires should produce.

Some hours later...

Conspirator 1: Damn fires. How come they didn't catch properly ? Now we are going to have to demo it anyway and take our chances. If the light falls any more it'll be clear that the fires are too small. We'll have to leave it to others to find explanations later, What a mess.

Conspirator 2: Semper Fi bro.

 

[bill smith]

Conspirator 1: Have they put that damn fire on the runway out yet ? We need to get 93 off the ground pronto. Those airport cops will be going that way soon. If they see that the olane is under remote control we are utterly screwed. The whole operation is blown.

Conspirator 2: It's out. But it's too late to complete the mission..could be fighters around by now. Better tell the joystick oilot to get clearance right now and take off. Tell him to fly out over rural Pennsylvania while we work out what to do with the plane.

Conspirator 1: He says she's very heavy. Must be all that extra fuel I guess.

some time later....

Conspirator 1: Okay...we'll land her in Cleveland. We have a team there who will take her straight to a secure area out of sight.

Conspirator 2: Some seals went in by chopper and found a spot in a place called Shanksville . They blew a big hole in the ground and scatttered some debris around. We will put out the story that the plane went in nose first at maximum speed and completely buried itself in the ground. Not perfect but ut will have to do.


Conspirator 1: You know it really is amazing that a little fire on the runway could have caused so many problems. Now Seven will have to be demolished in plain view in New York and we will have to create a plane crash site in Shanksville in a very dubious way. There will be endless problems with this. People on forums for a hundred years.

Conspirator 2: And if it had all gone smoothly we would have had three Towers, Three planes,and no Shanksville. All as neat as ninepence.

 

[bill smith]

Full story enough Oystein or is there something else you need to know ?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Full story enough Oystein or is there something else you need to know ?

I can't speak for Oystein, but it satisfies me completely. You are either jesting or a total fool. If it's a joke, it is, well slightly amusing, but rather stale. If you are serious, let me ask you:

Do you know the difference between sex and Lego Blocks?

Hans

 

[BStrong]

Conspirator 1: Will the building not fall down when they melt the selected core columns. At least 40% of them are marked in red.

Conspirator 2: Nah, no chance . There's three times as many columns as needed in the core,or to be more precise there is a safety factor of three.for the core . It can stand the loss of 15 or even 20 selected columns of the 47. It won't be for long anyway. The main worry is that the building will be seen to settle a bit as it finds it's new equilibrium.

Conspirator 1: How did anybody come up with this plan anyway ?

Conspirator 2: When this building was originally designed and built the owners and insurers insisted that we have a way to bring it down. The insurers because if it should ever threaten to topple over on the other billion- dollar real estate around here the costs to them would be enormous. So they needed a way to bring it down fast if such a threat was evolving. The owner to keep his insurance premiums at a payable level and in the hopes that he might be able to demo it in the future at the end of it's life. Dismantling the thing floor by floor would have cost maybe 15 or 20 billion dollars. Right now they would never allow such a tall building to be pulled....but in the future ? Maybe.

Consprator 1: So they melt these marked columns in a fast sequence from bottom to top and the liquid steel drops down through the holes where the columns used to be. Wow. Right into the basement. BUt surely the fierce white light iof the nanothermite will be seeen from outside ?

Consirator 2: That where the fireproofing comes in. It also makes terrific lightproofing as well as acting as a pipe to keep the steel going straight down. At 2000-3000 centigrade or so it turns glassy.

Consprator 1: So all this melted steel will be in the basement ? Maybe 15,000 tons of it ?

Conspirator 2: Some of the guys say that there is a special cavity under the building and they will blow out a portion of the lowest basement floor to allow the 15,000 tons to mostly drain down there. It won't all go down of course but most of it will.

Conspirator 1: Fascinating. We must have another chat after it is all done.

Complete nonsense in the bolded portion.

Any such arrangement would be public knowledge, and there would be proof everywhere from the original planning process to the insurance policies themselves.

Bill - you should save this stuff for a screenplay - that's where it belongs.

 

[bill smith]

Complete nonsense in the bolded portion.

Any such arrangement would be public knowledge, and there would be proof everywhere from the original planning process to the insurance policies themselves.

Bill - you should save this stuff for a screenplay - that's where it belongs.

Would YOU work in a building that was already wired for demolition ?
No, they would have kept it behind closed doors.

 

[bill smith]

Conspitator 1: The light is dropping. We'll have to pull it soon.

Conspirator 2: So it's Penthouse first, Let that drop down into the building and then pull the rest down on top in one go ?

Conspitator 1: Yeah. They have to let all the oxygen tanks in the Penthouse drop to the bottom so that they will be covered over by the rubble of the main building. Otherwise they could be in plain view right on top. Not a risk they want to take.

Conspirator 2: Why for all the oxygen then ?

Conspirator 1: They were going to flood the air above the building with oxygen so that when the plane nose dived into the roof there would be the most almighty humungous fireball ever seen on TV. All that extra fuel mixed with oxygen would have burned the minds of the whole country.THey would have been putty in the hands of people like Cheney for years to come. The final touch you might say. Overkill if you ask me.

Conspirator 2: And with all those choppers already hovering there in the sky ,tape rolling - broadcasting to the World ? ... Jeez...Kind of primitive in a lot of ways.

Conspirator 1: That's the part of people's brains they are trying to access. The primitive brain.You'll see. You will not recognise America a couple of weeks from now. People will be saying things like 'they are coming to take our freedom' Like zombies. Very compliant Zombies.Totally suggestible. Conditioned. That will be capitalised on you can be sure.

Conspirator 2: Jeez....the times we live in. Sad really.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Pssst, Bill, I think you have made your point. But... you said you would present evidence, not tell fairy tales? Even if your present narrative was remotely probable, it would be evidence of nothing but your imagination.

Hans

 

[bill smith]

Pssst, Bill, I think you have made your point. But... you said you would present evidence, not tell fairy tales? Even if your present narrative was remotely probable, it would be evidence of nothing but your imagination.

Hans

We do what we can Hans.

 

[bill smith]

A week later in the rose garden...

Dick: George,we MUST continue. This is no time to hesitate. We have to pile the pressure on the population while they are still conditioned and deeply suggestible. The psychologists have shown us extremely compelling data to show that we can do just about anything right now without opposition..

George: It's just a shame that it all has to be so extreme.....But so be it. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs I suppose.

Dick: So we will put phase two into immediate effect ? .

George: Yes, I guess so. May God have mercy on our souls.