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Boycott Israel

Pardalis said:
Israel may have its fault, but it has a massively better track record in human rights than its neighbors.
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Israel and its neighbors should all be condemned for their human rights abuses.

That others are worse than Israel in that regard does not give Israel a free pass.

This knee-jerk support of Israel in spite of its poor behavior is predictable, unfortunately.
 
IDB87 said:
You of course meant to say that you are opposed to both Israel's right-leaning parliament and the PA, correct?
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I am opposed to Israel's current government, the people that voted it into power, and the people who have supported unjust behavior by their government (regardless of which iteration of it).

I am also opposed to the way Israel was founded, though not why it was founded.

Don't worry, though - I intensely dislike a great many countries, not just the ones already discussed.
 
Complexity said:
Israel and its neighbors should all be condemned for their human rights abuses.
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Not equally.

There should be priorities. Countries like Iran which systematically abuse human rights and repress freedoms should be a the top of a boycott list. Countries like Turkey who show a tendency towards more rights and freedoms should be less of a priority.

Israel is nowhere near those two examples.
 
Pardalis said:
Not equally.

There should be priorities. Countries like Iran which systematically abuse human rights and repress freedoms should be a the top of a boycott list. Countries like Turkey who show a tendency towards more rights and freedoms should be less of a priority.

Israel is nowhere near those two examples.
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I loathe Iran.

I don't need to need to prioritize, however. Each country and government should be held responsible for its misbehaviors.

My concern is that people who tend to favor Israel (or some other country) for personal reasons will always find some other country that is behaving worse and try to focus appropriate condemnation away from their pet.

I want all of these groups to be held accountable for their actions.
 
Complexity said:
My concern is that people who tend to favor Israel (or some other country) for personal reasons will always find some other country that is behaving worse and try to focus appropriate condemnation away from their pet.
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No, people who favor Israel do so because Israel shows a capacity and a will to solve its societal problems on its own. Mostly because of democracy, it is able to recognize its problems and deal with them.

Unless radical change occur in Iran, they are not likely to become free and embrace human rights anytime soon.
 
Pardalis said:
No, people who favor Israel do so because Israel shows a capacity and a will to solve its societal problems on its own. Mostly because of democracy...............
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six billion dallars a year from the u.s. doesn't hurt.
israel hardly does much 'on their own', apart from war crimes against palestinians, and even that is supported by our governments.
 
Complexity said:
Figure that out for yourself, if you can.

I don't think my reaction to it is out of proportion in the least.

Let's face it - you can't stand that I'm criticizing something that you hold dear (for reasons I can't fathom). Your concerns have been noted. You are not persuasive.
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The law should be criicized, and will likely be overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court. But is it any more outrageous than the Canada Human Rights Commission fiascos? The Dutch laws Wilders was charged under? Holocaust denial laws in Germany and elsewhere? Is this really boycott material?

If the law is overturned will your boycott end?

Will you be boycotting products from the PA to protest the law carryig the death penalty for anyon selling land to Jews?

More importantly, do you think the PA and Arab countries could do anything to make peace more likely?

Still waiting for your evidence that Jewish immigrants fom 1880-1947 foced anyone off their land, or forced favorable land sales. Will you be doing so?
 
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Belz... said:
Ah, so you DO boycott the United States of America ? ;)
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I live in the USA.

I oppose a great many of the actions of the US government and the people who have enabled it to do some very bad things, both to people in this country and to the rest of the world.

I will not put my talents to the service of the US government or people, apart from the taxes that are taken from me. I will not work for the government or aid it in any other way.

I despise the major political parties and have no hope for the success of the minor ones. I particularly loathe the 'Tea Party', which is merely a particularly thuggish recruiting arm of the Republican party.

I do not advocate revolution, for I am unaware of a revolution that made a lasting improvement or served the ends of justice and see no reason to think a revolution here and now would end up differently.

The government of the US is a projection of enough of the people of the US to win elections. People are responsible for the consequences of their votes. I have violated my principles in the past and voted for someone against my conscience because I believed it was necessary to vote against a monster by voting for someone who could win rather than one who I thought best. I was wrong and shall never make that mistake again. A great many of the people in the US are responsible for the harm that it continues to do.

I am not optimistic about the future of the US. I think that nearly all of greatness that it exhibited on occasion has been frittered away. Perhaps future generations will find it within themselves to revitalize the country, but I fear it is more likely to be slipping into the traps of age that much of Europe has fallen into.

I will do what good I can. I will not support an unworthy government.

If I can undermine people who I regard as doing wrong, I shall do so.
 
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Complexity said:
I live in the USA.

I oppose a great many of the actions of the US government and the people who have enabled it to do some very bad things, both to people in this country and to the rest of the world.

I will not put my talents to the service of the US government or people, apart from the taxes that are taken from me. I will not work for the government or aid it in any other way.

I despise the major political parties and have no hope for the success of the minor ones. I particularly loathe the 'Tea Party', which is merely a particularly thuggish recruiting arm of the Republican party.

I do not advocate revolution, for I am unaware of a revolution that made a lasting improvement or served the ends of justice and see no reason to think a revolution here and now would end up differently.
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You said you opposed theocracy. I was kidding, implying the USA are a theocracy.
 
Complexity said:
The people who founded Israel did not have the right to found it where it is located, taking land that belonged to others. I reject the 'argument' that 'god' gave the land to their ancestors. There are no 'gods'.

What has happened over the years to many Jews, especially during World War II, is horrible, but that didn't justify their being allowed to take land that belonged (and continues to belong) to others. They are not the only people who have suffered.

No one should pay Israel for any 'damages' - it is an intruder, a conqueror, and the people who were living there before have every right to resist it.

Israel has lost any moral high-ground that some have attributed to it because of the inhumane way that it treats people.

I'm not sure how the situation may justly be resolved, but the current state of affairs is unjust and should not stand.
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So historically inept it isn't funny. And the founding fathers of Zionism were left-wing secularists not people who thought God was a real estate agent.
 
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