Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[leftysergeant]

Is there anything you're not a self proclaimed expert at? Your resume is more like that of a vagabond than one of a jack of all skills that enter a conversation.

I'm over sixty, have a couple years of college, and have been to some interesting places in the world. Some of my military experience was as a fire fighter, in which capacity, I got a bit of arson investigations training. That requires some knowledge of explosives. Even later in my career, as a Food Service Specialist, I served with an engineer unit and was sometimes brought in to photograph some operations because i had some particular skills in that area.

I have been very interested in tracking the activities of certain domestic terrorist slime, especially white nationalists since the Civil Rights movement of the early sixties came to the fore in national headlines. I got REALLY interested in them after a couple of the useless drongos tried to off me in 1968.

So, it should come as no surprise that I have had occassion to do some research on terrorist techniques and on the ways in which they propogandize their movement and how they can so readily convince otherwise decent though dim-witted folk that they are actually patriots looking for answers while they insert their massive garbage into every discussion they can regarding 9/11.

There is even a stench of white nationalist woo in this thread, where some people, without a rather broad base of experience might mistake as facts and evidence. I am just immune to most of it because I have the mental capacity (I had an ASVAB score of 133 with a low area of 114 when I joined the Army) and the life experience and training to see through most of the crap at once, and the rest of it over time.

 

[Christopher7]

So?

You cannot rule out arson just because you can think of another possibility, that's denial. If you do rule out arson then you are not what you say you are.

I will admit when I am wrong like when Justin pointed out the trucks at loading docks under the towers have aluminum boxes and that would constitute a concentration of aluminum.

You will never admit you are wrong so I don't expect you to do so.

No worries mate.

 

[leftysergeant]

The preparation would be probably be in the central core. It could be mechanical damage though I would think it would be something that was activated by fire or heat. I chose either sulfuric acid or sulfur dioxide in a paste or gel form.

Drill a hole in the side of an elevator or remove an access panel. Get access to the inside of the elevator shaft.

Load a 55 gallon drum of corrosive paste in a basement area. As the elevator is rising, spray the structure with the material. If it looks like and has the consistency of grease no one will notice it. It will take several applications to get enough to have any effect.

It looks like the stairs are also in the core area. So you would want to leave those alone, this is arson, not murder. There appear to be a lot of shafts running along the inside of the core. The actual core wall may be behind pipes.

Actually, it was coated with a cementic foam and sheathed in sheet rock.

Sheet rock is made of a foamy plaster of Paris between two sheets of paper.

Plaster is basicly calcium sulphate. It is the end product of a reaction of calcium and sulphuric acid, and would, thus, be impervious to the acid bath.

FAIL.

 

[leftysergeant]

You cannot rule out arson just because you can think of another possibility, that's denial. If you do rule out arson then you are not what you say you are.

You can rule out arson when there are other observable causes and nobody has access to the building in the proper time frame.

It was not arson. It was secondary damage.

 

[tsig]

The preparation would be probably be in the central core. It could be mechanical damage though I would think it would be something that was activated by fire or heat. I chose either sulfuric acid or sulfur dioxide in a paste or gel form.

Drill a hole in the side of an elevator or remove an access panel. Get access to the inside of the elevator shaft.

Load a 55 gallon drum of corrosive paste in a basement area. As the elevator is rising, spray the structure with the material. If it looks like and has the consistency of grease no one will notice it. It will take several applications to get enough to have any effect.

It looks like the stairs are also in the core area. So you would want to leave those alone, this is arson, not murder. There appear to be a lot of shafts running along the inside of the core. The actual core wall may be behind pipes. A pressurized 55 gallon container shooting relatively low viscosity material might take up to an hour to empty. Total material used 100-200 drums would weaken a lot of steel if the paste were 50% sulfuric acid by volume. A lot of the mixture would be to keep it in a low reactive state until heat is applied. This can only be done as an inside job or through incredibly bad security.

So the elevator repairmen didn't notice that someone had sprayed acid in the structure? How does acid sprayed in the elevator tracks weaken the steel of the cores?

 

[Christopher7]

The damage to the building and the resulting fires weakened the building and caused it to fall.

NIST clearly stated in the final report that the debris damage had little [actually no] effect on the collapse initiation so stop repeating a former claim by NIST that they have abandoned.

I have laid out the facts that clearly prove the fire on floor 12 had burned out and did not cause the collapse as NIST posits.

 

[uke2se]

You cannot rule out arson just because you can think of another possibility, that's denial. If you do rule out arson then you are not what you say you are.

I'm happy to see you have now ruled out explosives, as fire and explosives are mutually exclusive. That's progress.

 

[tsig]

Why do we investigate plane crashes when nearly all of them are caused by gravity?

Actually most are caused by pilot error. Ever hear of CFIT*.


*controlled flight into terrain i. e. he flew it into the ground

 

[uke2se]

NIST clearly stated in the final report that the debris damage had little [actually no] effect on the collapse initiation so stop repeating a former claim by NIST that they have abandoned.

I have laid out the facts that clearly prove the fire on floor 12 had burned out and did not cause the collapse as NIST posits.

Bolded the important part.

 

[Christopher7]

You can rule out arson when there are other observable causes and nobody has access to the building in the proper time frame.

The CIA, FBI and Secret Service would have access if they wanted it and all you know is what NIST tells us. You are willing to accept what NIST says without question, I am not.

 

[excaza]

The CIA, FBI and Secret Service would have access if they wanted it

And this is evidenced by...

 

[Christopher7]

I'm happy to see you have now ruled out explosives, as fire and explosives are mutually exclusive.

Not necessarily so. You do not know all the possibilities because you only try to think of reasons why it can't be.

The explosives were probably on the first on the first 6 floors where there were no fires. The 10th and 14th floors had no fires.

 

[dafydd]

And this is evidenced by...

A hidden code in a carpentry manual?

 

[excaza]

The explosives were probably on the first on the first 6 floors where there were no fires.

And this is evidenced by...

 

[Christopher7]

And this is evidenced by...

The CIA, FBI and Secret Service can evoke "national security" and do pretty much what they want. They can further tell you to keep your mouth shut in the name of "national security".

 

[twinstead]

You are willing to accept what NIST says without question, I am not.

You are willing to believe that explosives felled the building absent of ANY evidence whatsoever that anything other than damage and fire was responsible without question. I am not.

 

[uke2se]

Not necessarily so. You do not know all the possibilities because you only try to think of reasons why it can't be.

The explosives were probably on the first on the first 6 floors where there were no fires. The 10th and 14th floors had no fires.

So why did the penthouse fall first? Also, how would the explosives have been rigged? Do you think that "They" could guarantee that the fire wouldn't spread to the floors with explosives? Are you sure you have thought this through?

 

[Christopher7]

And this is evidenced by...

100 feet of free fall acceleration.

 

[twinstead]

The CIA, FBI and Secret Service can evoke "national security" and do pretty much what they want. They can further tell you to keep your mouth shut in the name of "national security".

This isn't evidence. All you are saying is they "could have", and trying to shove "they did" down our throats. Real investigators are cringing right now.

 

[NoahFence]

Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
They didn't start 4 or 5 hours after the debris impacted. They started WHEN the debris impacted,

Originally Posted by resident know it all
NIST 1-9 Page 300
"They did not observe any fires at this time on the 8th floor or 9th floor"

This was about 1:15 to 1:30 p.m.
The fire on floor 8 first appeared on the north face at about 3:40 p.m.
The fire on floor 9 first appeared on the north face shortly before 4:00 p.m.

Fires move. Try to keep up.