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The buildings are prepped, so that a fire will slowly cause a total structural failure. At this point an acid gel looks the most workable. If you have a better solution, I am all ears.

But then that creates the problem that too many people now have advanced knowledge of 9-11.

A lot of people are now involved, except that they are not all aware of the planes.

They are led to believe that is a criminal job of arson, with very few casualties. All the logistical planning for removing the evidence has been completed.

Securacom is the security at both WTC and at the departure Airports.

For some other reason, perhaps because the videos don't support the official story, they don't have security video of the passengers on the affected flights. This has nothing to do with the WTC site and everything to do with who was been shaping the circumstances of 9-11. This stinks of the Whitehouse. (Ok, I do hate W)

The WTC 1 WTC 2 WTC 7 buildings have been prepped to structurally fail by way of fire.
The people who did the preparations thought it would be a slowly progressing disaster, with only few casualties.

Two planes impact.

Fires begin, damaged beyond their worst nightmares, the buildings fail much earlier then intended. Trapped by fire people.... WTC1 WTC2 Collapse. Nearly 3000 casualties

The clock is running on WTC 7. They have to start a lot of fires and they have to break a lot of windows to get enough air in to feed the fires. It finally fails.

The cleanup and evidence removal proceeds as planned, they haven't any choice.

This tastes like ashes.
 
DeathDart said:
You have people, who don't think that they guility, with capital punishment hanging over their heads, highly motivated to make sure no one sees the Swiss Cheese (Backed up by the ******* FBI). And yes there is absolutely corruption in the FBI.

When I say shell game, I meant shell game.

I think that most of the damage and corrosion is in the middle third of the core. The lower core is massive . This is just a guess. This is probably not visible in the debris pile until material is removed.
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Wasn't a relative of the recent President Bush, who wasn't a judge, once head of the CIA?
 
DeathDart said:
You are correct they would not have been stopped, but it doesn't explain the lack of security video showing each person that boards those planes at some point in the videos.

After the flights numbers and the departure airports were known the FBI should have swooped down and gotten everything at those airports.

Once the flights were identified, the Securacom security at all those airport should have known that the FBI was coming, and prepare those recordings to be transported.

If the FBI didn't ask for them then they are either fools or traitors, take your pick.
If Securacom didn't have the videos, it may be because they were tricked.

What I do know is if those videos exist, someone is holding on to them real tight.
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Rumor has it they are filed at the secret Cheney Library along with the the confiscated Pentagon videos and the tower black boxes.
 
DeathDart said:
The buildings are prepped, so that a fire will slowly cause a total structural failure. At this point an acid gel looks the most workable. If you have a better solution, I am all ears.
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Sure thing..
19 hijackers, and 4 jets

Total number of people involved is less than 50

But then that creates the problem that too many people now have advanced knowledge of 9-11.

A lot of people are now involved, except that they are not all aware of the planes.

They are led to believe that is a criminal job of arson, with very few casualties. All the logistical planning for removing the evidence has been completed.
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Except that as soon as the FIRST jet strikes the first building, and then the buildings collapse, EVERYONE involved in your plot becomes a co conspirator in the murder of 3000 people. Each and every one of them would then immediately be up for the death penalty for their actions.

Yet not one of them every has come forward wanting a deal to avoid that death sentence if caught... not one.


Securacom is the security at both WTC and at the departure Airports.
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You might want to check that out....

For some other reason, perhaps because the videos don't support the official story, they don't have security video of the passengers on the affected flights. This has nothing to do with the WTC site and everything to do with who was been shaping the circumstances of 9-11. This stinks of the Whitehouse. (Ok, I do hate W)
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They have security video of several of the hijackers going through security screenings...

and please show us how often there is video of all people boarding pre 9/11...

argument from incredulity noted... yet again.

The WTC 1 WTC 2 WTC 7 buildings have been prepped to structurally fail by way of fire.
The people who did the preparations thought it would be a slowly progressing disaster, with only few casualties.
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See above... and how were these buildings prepped w/out anyone noticing?
ARe all the structural engineers which say that FIRE ALONE in on it?

Two planes impact.

Fires begin, damaged beyond their worst nightmares, the buildings fail much earlier then intended. Trapped by fire people.... WTC1 WTC2 Collapse. Nearly 3000 casualties
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Wrong word... fatalities. Not casualties... that number was a lot more than 3000 people... 3000 fatalities.
 
DeathDart said:
Two Points

The first that their was not a proper investigation done.
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besides the 8000 man Pentbom investigation you mean. Which is the most expensive FBI investigation of all time....
besides for the FEMA building studies
besides for the NIST reports on tower 1,2 and 7

besides for those.... you are right there were no proper investigations.
 
Rumor has it they are filed at the secret Cheney Library along with the the confiscated Pentagon videos and the tower black boxes.
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...and the Roswell alien carcasses and the Ark of the Covenant and Teslas Black Hole Generator and the Sear of Destiny and Hitlers Skull and Duke Nuke 'Em Forever (ok, that one was real) and Bigfoots DNA and pieces of the moon landing set and...
 
DeathDart said:
The buildings are prepped, so that a fire will slowly cause a total structural failure. At this point an acid gel looks the most workable. If you have a better solution, I am all ears.

But then that creates the problem that too many people now have advanced knowledge of 9-11.

A lot of people are now involved, except that they are not all aware of the planes.

They are led to believe that is a criminal job of arson, with very few casualties. All the logistical planning for removing the evidence has been completed.

Securacom is the security at both WTC and at the departure Airports.

For some other reason, perhaps because the videos don't support the official story, they don't have security video of the passengers on the affected flights. This has nothing to do with the WTC site and everything to do with who was been shaping the circumstances of 9-11. This stinks of the Whitehouse. (Ok, I do hate W)

The WTC 1 WTC 2 WTC 7 buildings have been prepped to structurally fail by way of fire.
The people who did the preparations thought it would be a slowly progressing disaster, with only few casualties.

Two planes impact.

Fires begin, damaged beyond their worst nightmares, the buildings fail much earlier then intended. Trapped by fire people.... WTC1 WTC2 Collapse. Nearly 3000 casualties

The clock is running on WTC 7. They have to start a lot of fires and they have to break a lot of windows to get enough air in to feed the fires. It finally fails.

The cleanup and evidence removal proceeds as planned, they haven't any choice.

This tastes like ashes.
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Except about 80% of the tower buildings was pristine to the eye of the world's attentive cameras.
 
DeathDart said:
Two Points

The first that their was not a proper investigation done.

By saying their reasons are unknown I separate my conclusions about their reasons, from the conclusion that the lack of material shows their real intent, vis a vis an investigation.

What God wants, God Gets.
What the management wanted from this cleanup, they got. And they did not put the materials for the investigation very high on their list of priorities.

WTC 7 Is one very big anomaly.

What explanation explains both?
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Gravity.
 
DeathDart said:
Two Points

The first that their was not a proper investigation done.

By saying their reasons are unknown I separate my conclusions about their reasons, from the conclusion that the lack of material shows their real intent, vis a vis an investigation.

What God wants, God Gets.
What the management wanted from this cleanup, they got. And they did not put the materials for the investigation very high on their list of priorities.

WTC 7 Is one very big anomaly.

What explanation explains both?
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Gravity.
 
leftysergeant said:
You want to see a powder monkey get emotional, just whip out a two-way radio or cell phone while he is handling blasting caps.
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Is there anything you're not a self proclaimed expert at? Your resume is more like that of a vagabond than one of a jack of all skills that enter a conversation.
 
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TruthersLie said:
Sure thing..
19 hijackers, and 4 jets




They have security video of several of the hijackers going through security screenings...

and please show us how often there is video of all people boarding pre 9/11...

argument from incredulity noted... yet again.
Those videos are from the Maine to Boston flight.
Not from any of the departure airports.


See above... and how were these buildings prepped w/out anyone noticing?
ARe all the structural engineers which say that FIRE ALONE in on it?

No they were not. Look at the congressional record or some of the truther sites see all the complaints they have about the investigation. With Big brother FBI backing it up it was nearly easy.


Wrong word... fatalities. Not casualties... that number was a lot more than 3000 people... 3000 fatalities.
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Wrong word, fatalities or murdered.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Except about 80% of the tower buildings was pristine to the eye of the world's attentive cameras.
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The preparation would be probably be in the central core. It could be mechanical damage though I would think it would be something that was activated by fire or heat. I chose either sulfuric acid or sulfur dioxide in a paste or gel form.

Drill a hole in the side of an elevator or remove an access panel. Get access to the inside of the elevator shaft.

Load a 55 gallon drum of corrosive paste in a basement area. As the elevator is rising, spray the structure with the material. If it looks like and has the consistency of grease no one will notice it. It will take several applications to get enough to have any effect.

It looks like the stairs are also in the core area. So you would want to leave those alone, this is arson, not murder. There appear to be a lot of shafts running along the inside of the core. The actual core wall may be behind pipes. A pressurized 55 gallon container shooting relatively low viscosity material might take up to an hour to empty. Total material used 100-200 drums would weaken a lot of steel if the paste were 50% sulfuric acid by volume. A lot of the mixture would be to keep it in a low reactive state until heat is applied. This can only be done as an inside job or through incredibly bad security.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Is there anything you're not a self proclaimed expert at? Your resume is more like that of a vagabond than one of a jack of all skills that enter a conversation.
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I actually don't talk much. Because of a disability I didn't get a lot of education past some college. I did teach myself how to learn. Except for some kinds of math and all music and most languages I can do Ok. I excel in the sciences and the lower levels of engineering. Synthesis at a practical level is my strong suit.

The bondable thermite was a first iteration. On the second pass I noticed the possible sequestering of information from the people who would have done the preparation of the buildings.

This iteration is probably flawed though partly relevant. That is why it is in this forum. I have a lot of ideas, but I am not that attached to them. if a logical argument makes enough points against it I will drop it and find something better. I am very persistent.

Failure brings you one step (maybe less) closer to success.
 
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NoahFence said:
They didn't start 4 or 5 hours after the debris impacted. They started WHEN the debris impacted,
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NIST 1-9 Page 300
[FONT=&quot]"They did not observe any fires at this time on the 8th floor or 9th floor"

This was about 1:15 to 1:30 p.m.
The fire on floor 8 first appeared on the north face at about 3:40 p.m.
The fire on floor 9 first appeared on the north face shortly before 4:00 p.m.[/FONT]
 
DeathDart said:
The preparation would be probably be in the central core. It could be mechanical damage though I would think it would be something that was activated by fire or heat. I chose either sulfuric acid or sulfur dioxide in a paste or gel form.

Drill a hole in the side of an elevator or remove an access panel. Get access to the inside of the elevator shaft.

Load a 55 gallon drum of corrosive paste in a basement area. As the elevator is rising, spray the structure with the material. If it looks like and has the consistency of grease no one will notice it. It will take several applications to get enough to have any effect.

It looks like the stairs are also in the core area. So you would want to leave those alone, this is arson, not murder. There appear to be a lot of shafts running along the inside of the core. The actual core wall may be behind pipes. A pressurized 55 gallon container shooting relatively low viscosity material might take up to an hour to empty. Total material used 100-200 drums would weaken a lot of steel if the paste were 50% sulfuric acid by volume. A lot of the mixture would be to keep it in a low reactive state until heat is applied. This can only be done as an inside job or through incredibly bad security.
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The three buildings went down as if by a light switch. Application of acid couldn't result as a global collapse in a 20 or so second collapse window.
 
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