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Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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triforcharity said:
You seem to keep forgetting about the fires in the building.
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No, I keep saying there were fires on floors 7 and 12.

They had covered all the other priorities and could consider fighting the fires in WTC 7.

There was water available to fight the 2 fires in WTC 7.

They had firefighters to fight the fires.

Chief Fellini ordered a group of firefighters to fight the fires.

An engineer told them that the building was in danger of collapsing.

That is why they did not fight the fires but we have spent 10 - 20 pages of double talk and denial of the first three facts above.
 
Christopher7 said:
NIST 1-9 Page 300
[FONT=&quot]"They did not observe any fires at this time on the 8th floor or 9th floor"

This was about 1:15 to 1:30 p.m.
The fire on floor 8 first appeared on the north face at about 3:40 p.m.
The fire on floor 9 first appeared on the north face shortly before 4:00 p.m.[/FONT]
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They possibly had difficulty seeing through the exterior structure, the dust, and the thick smoke to determine where exactly the fires were located.

Too bad these weren't FDNY standard issue on 9/11, then the NIST report would have been perfect.

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Christopher7 said:
No, I keep saying there were fires on floors 7 and 12.

They had covered all the other priorities and could consider fighting the fires in WTC 7.

There was water available to fight the 2 fires in WTC 7.

They had firefighters to fight the fires.

Chief Fellini ordered a group of firefighters to fight the fires.

An engineer told them that the building was in danger of collapsing.

That is why they did not fight the fires but we have spent 10 - 20 pages of double talk and denial of the first three facts above.
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So it was a lone engineer who was in on it?
 
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Mikey T said:
They possibly had difficulty seeing through the exterior structure, the dust, and the thick smoke to determine where exactly the fires were located.
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At 12:10 to 12:15 p.m.:
• Firefighters found individuals on Floors 7 and 8 and led them out of the building
• No fires, heavy dust or smoke were reported as they left Floor 8
• Cubicle fire was seen along west wall on Floor 7 just before leaving
 
Christopher7 said:
At 12:10 to 12:15 p.m.:
• Firefighters found individuals on Floors 7 and 8 and led them out of the building
• No fires, heavy dust or smoke were reported as they left Floor 8
• Cubicle fire was seen along west wall on Floor 7 just before leaving
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My highlight....So the fire was spreading...thanks.:D

I know this may be off topic but I've got something maybe you could offer an opinion on since this building 7 discussion has run it's course. I'm building a birdhouse in my backyard. What type of wood would you recommend I use to stand up well against Arizona weather. I was thinking about painting it red as well. Any particular brands of paint I should consider? Will enamel paint work or should I consider something else? The diameter of the entry hole in the birdhouse is going to be 3 inches, do you think this is an adequate size for birds to enter? Any recomendations as far as building a birdhouse would be welcome from your expertise in this area.

As far as Building 7 and it's eventual collapse, I think it's best left to the experts.
 
Mikey T said:
Ok, here's the kicker...Motive?
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The Reptillian overlords brainwashed him (much in the manner of the Manchurian Candidate) in engineering school to have a Pavlovian response to the smell of thermite and hush-a-boom. Once those two conditions were met he would subconsciously listen only to the radio planted in his tooth fillings and declare the building unsafe.

The Reptillian overlords did it just for the Lulz... and total world domination of course.
 
Christopher7 said:
No, The building did not collapse from the debris damage. The loads were redistributed by the moment frames. An engineer would have known that.

The collapse that NIST said happened, could not have been foreseen.
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The engineer's crystal ball into what NIST's final conclusion would be must have been broken that day. However, good thing the engineer on scene took into account the fires the were burning (I don't care how many times you say it's not so, the fires were raging) inside the building, realized they were risky to attempt to fight, and used his common sense and experience which saved lives that day.

Just think if a carpenter on the internet would have been on scene to make that call instead of a trained structural engineer. We would be looking at many more deaths in the FDNY ranks that day. Each time you type something it gets more and more ridiculous. We are supposed to actually think for one second that you somehow in your google prowess are able to determine what the correct call was on the ground at building 7 over the experienced men that were there.

Your condemnation of this engineer and his decision is disgusting behavior, because in the real world, this man is a hero. I'm sick of your arrogance and accusing thousands of good people in on some grand plan which you really don't even have an answer for the endgame.

You sir, are as far away from a hero as they come. You have failed in the game of life and have nothing better to do than concoct grand stories to help take yourself away from your pathetic existance. Somehow this takes away the pain of what your life has become and it's really sad to see you try to take others with you on your self-hating journey. Sitting on your computer second guessing decisions which saved hundreds of lives when you seem intellegent enough to make a better difference in the world. Chris7, you need a new hobby which will make yourself feel better and actually do some good in your community and better your personal mental health. I'm being serious when I say I think you need to seek professional help, because your life could be so much better if you could rid your mind of these dellusions.

You may take this as a personal attack, but I get pretty blunt when it comes to people on the internet accusing my fellow Americans of mass murder and NO EVIDENCE to back it up.
 
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Christopher7 said:
You conveniently forgot the point which is:
The fires on floors 8 and 9 started sometime after 1:30 p.m.
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Fires were raging throughout the building all afternoon. Don't care what you say or what you think you have stumbled on. Get some professional help.
 
Mikey T said:
The engineer's crystal ball into what NIST's final conclusion would be must have been broken that day. However, good thing the engineer on scene took into account the fires the were burning
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There were normal office fires burning on floors 7 and 12.

Just think if a carpenter on the internet would have been on scene to make that call instead of a trained structural engineer.
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Get it thru your head that I did not make the call, NIST did. They said the moment frames redistributed the loads around the debris damage area. This was self evident on 9/11. An engineer would be able to see and understand that when a firefighter might not.

Fires were raging throughout the building all afternoon.
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Wrong

By 1:00 p.m., the fires on floors 19, 22, 29 and 30 had burned out.

At 2:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7 and 12.

At 3:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7, 11, 12, and 13.

At 4:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7, 8, 9, 11, 12 and 13.

At 5:00 p.m., the only visible fires were on floors 11 and 13.
 
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Mikey T said:
They possibly had difficulty seeing through the exterior structure, the dust, and the thick smoke to determine where exactly the fires were located.

Too bad these weren't FDNY standard issue on 9/11, then the NIST report would have been perfect.

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I don't think it gets any more clear than this, but of course I've told him the same. The observations taken by the NIST are based on observations from the exterior and if there are no fires in view then you cannot observe them visually.

Finding it pretty funny because this is something they don't mind pointing out to the "debunker" camp when arguing that the damage to the WTC core structure wasn't serious.
 
Christopher7 said:
There were normal office fires burning on floors 7 and 12.

Get it thru your head that I did not make the call, NIST did. They said the moment frames redistributed the loads around the debris damage area. This was self evident on 9/11. An engineer would be able to see and understand that when a firefighter might not.

Wrong

By 1:00 p.m., the fires on floors 19, 22, 29 and 30 had burned out.

At 2:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7 and 12.

At 3:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7, 11, 12, and 13.

At 4:00 p.m., there were fires on floors 7, 8, 9, 11 and 13.

At 5:00 p.m., the only visible fires were on floors 11 and 13.
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The damage to the building and the resulting fires weakened the building and caused it to fall. It's as simple as that. The whole freakin' engineering and scientific world knows that. Some random guys on the interwebz crying conspiracy aren't going to change that.
 
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