Christopher 7:{bolds mine}
in the WTC 7 report Firehouse magazine is referenced as the source of the quote by Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
"Early on, we saw a bulge in the SW corner between floors 10 and 13, and we put a transit on that, and we were pretty sure that she [WTC 7] was going to collapse."
He had just seen the towers come down. He is not a structural engineer and he was completely wrong.
The report goes on to state that at approx 1:15 pm the Chief in charge of operations at WTC 7 recommended that efforts in WTC 7 be given up and that a group of FDNY Chiefs discussed both the condition of the building and the capabilities of the FDNY to fight the fires in WTC 7. They formed conclusions about these including that no water was "immediatly" available to fight the fires, and that the building was generating loud noises that indicated that the structure was "unstable"
this is referenced to FDNY interviews in the winter of 2004.
The chiefs did not write that, NIST did.
Now you can nitpick all you want but the building was declared unsafe to enter and there was no water immediatly available to fight the fires WERE THE DETERMINATIONS MADE by the Chiefs in charge.
Or so we are told.
There was water and personnel available to fight the fires in WTC 7.
Are you now stating that these Chiefs were in on it,
I wish y'all would stop making that stupid accusation over and over and over. The only people who have been saying that are the OCT loyalists.
or coerced or threatened, into ordfering men out of WTC 7 in order to allow a building to be brought down by means other than the fires.
In Barbie doll land that could never happen.
"no water was "immediately" available to fight the fires"
That is "NIST speak" and it is not true. People here, including someone claiming that he was there, talk about priorities, but there is nothing in any report to back that up nor did any of the chiefs say anything about priorities. That's just a diversion tactic used here.
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This debate is about the NIST claim that no water was available to fight the fires in WTC 7
Chris Mohr said:
NIST says the building was eventually no match for the flames that raged out of control for several hours after the firefighters were unable to pour any more water on it.
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The evidence shows that they had enough water and personnel to do what needed to be done.
NCSTAR 1-8 pg 205 [pdf pg 259]
9:10 10-84 Engine 240, (At staging area West and Albany Streets when WTC 2 collapsed, stretch hoselines, relay water from
Marine 1, extinguished fire at 90 West Street.)
9:17 Engine 286/10 (initially out of service, back in service at 0917, relocated to E-10, arrived at WTC 1 when it collapsed, relayed water from
Marine 1, fought fires from upper floors of 85 West street to 90 West street)
9:27 Engine 311 (stretches lines from
Marine 1 to 85 West Street, from inside of 85 West Street extinguishes fires on roof of 90 west Street)
9:40 Engine 162 (post collapse operations WTC 1 and WTC 2, operations at WTC 7,
hydrant at Church and Vesey Streets, stretched line to
WTC 7)
9:41 Engine 219 (post collapse operations,
established water supply at West and Liberty Streets, stretched hose lines and extinguished ground level fires)
9:43:04 10-84 Engine 220, (Command post West and Liberty Streets, approaching WTC 2 at collapse, extinguish fire on 9th floor of Gateway Plaza, assisted with water relay from
Marine 1 to Vesey and West streets)
WTC 6&7
9:55 Engine 246/244 (post collapse operations 5 WTC,
hydrant hookup on Broadway and Church Streets, water relay to E 503, operated hose line on street level fires at Church and Liberty Streets)
Engine 284/207 (post collapse operations, hose line stretch from
Marine 1 to Vesey Street)
WTC 6&7
9:59 a.m. WTC 2 collapsed
NCSTAR 1-8 pg 223 [pdf pg 277]
9:59:51 Engine 271/6 (left Command Post at West and Vesey Streets when WTC 1 collapsed,
supplied water to standpipe Siamese at Verizon Building, extinguished fires around Verizon bldg.)
10:06 Engine 160 (post collapse operations, supplied water to Tower Ladders
operation on WTC 7
10:07:39 10-84 Engine 284, (post collapse operations, hose line stretch from
Marine 1 to Vesey street)
WTC 6&7
10:12: Engine 518 (post collapse operations, stretched hose lines and
operated in WTC 7)
10:15 Engine 236/15 (responding to scene when WTC 1 collapse, stretched handlines from
building standpipes and extinguished street level fires)
10:24 Engine 247 (Command Post at
Broadway and Vesey Streets, post collapse operations,
hydrant hookup and supply to hoselines to Tower Ladders)
Engine 318/279 (post collapse operations, Staging area at West and Chambers Streets, hose stretch from
Marine 1 to Vesey Street)
WTC 6&7
10:29 a.m. WTC 1 collapse
NCSTAR 1-8 pg 228 [pdf pg 282]
10:30:08 10-84 , Engine 318/E 279 (post collapse operations, Staging area at West and Chambers Streets, hose stretch from
Marine 1 to Vesey Street)
WTC 6&7
10:32:30 10-84, Engine 247/E240 (Command Post at Broadway and Vesey Streets, post collapse operations
hydrant hookup and supply of hoselines to Tower Ladders)
10:38:32 10-84 , Engine 309 /E33, (reported to Command Post at West and Liberty streets, stretched 3 ½ inch hoselines from command post to Marine Companies at pier, stretched supply lines from
Marine 2 to E 209 E 279, stretched supply lines to manifolds and Tower Ladders, searched collapse area)
10:45 Engine 514 (hooked up to
hydrant in front of 80 West Street, stretched 3 ½ inch line to Ladder 15 in front of 90 West Street)
10:49 Engine 309/33 (reported to Command Post at West and Liberty Streets, stretched 3 ½ inch hoselines from command post to Marine Companies at pier, stretched supply lines from
Marine 2 to E 209 and E279, stretched lines to manifolds and Tower Ladders, searched collapse area)
11:10:21 10-84, Engine 206 (hooked up to serviceable
hydrant at
Nassau and John Streets, relayed water to E221 that was supplying a Tower Ladder, stretched and operated hoselines at Liberty Street debris fires)
11:19 Engine 155 (search of 5 WTC, supply hose lines to debris pile of WTC 2, hooked up to
serviceable hydrant at Church and Murray Streets)
There was no shortage of help. There are more calls about people in reserve and more coming all the time.
This is just an example.
NCSTAR 1-8 pg 232
10:29:53 Battalion Chief 37 reports that eight bus loads of firefighters are located at the Manhattan Bridge.
NCSTAR 1-8 pg 233
10:46:25 Battalion Chief 32 reports from Manhattan Bridge that busses are over Bridge to staging area at City Hall Park.
