Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[Christopher7]

Have you figured out where the FDC's were yet? That will help you a little.

Another non-response.
If you have a rebuttal, state it.

 

[funk de fino]

The stakes are everything, and as fantastic as it may seem, even if 9-11 is the greatest conspiracy ever created, we have a situation evolving in America that is much worse RIGHT NOW.

How about Michael Leiter? Director of the National Counterterrorism Center

This was a Bush leave behind, Obama kept him for a while because he didn't want to look soft on terrorists.

Rumors suggest that the underwear bomber was actually escorted to his flight by an American.

His seat assignment would have placed him right next to a reserve tank in the wing.

It was one of the few places that the quantity of explosives he was carrying could actually bring the airliner down.

It is rumored that Michael Leiter had ordered the man to be let through so he could be watched in the United States.

Man those Loyal Bushies really hate Obama.

If he had succeeded in destroying the plane, I can guarantee you that Lamar Smith Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee would have had impeachment before the House before all the plane debris had reached the ground.

Total fantasy junk.

 

[Clayton Moore]

To use the same term the loyal Bushies would use, the Mosaic of the evidence

Hayden was either incredibly stupid, or he was intentionally sabotaging our tracking of the terrorists.

Almost 2 years after 9/11 Bush funded an investigation with THREE million dollars.

 

[Animal]

Have you figured out where the FDC's were yet? That will help you a little.

And he cites a 2002 dated reference is response to it being pointed out that a 2008 wasn't valid

 

[Christopher7]

And he cites a 2002 dated reference is response to it being pointed out that a 2008 wasn't valid

Let TFC speak for himself. He did not site anything and there is nothing invalid about the code I listed.

 

[Bell]

Almost 2 years after 9/11 Bush funded an investigation with THREE million dollars.

How much should it have cost and what exactly should have been payed by that money?

 

[Travis]

Almost 2 years after 9/11 Bush funded an investigation with THREE million dollars.

The FBI, CIA, Secret Service and FAA investigations cost way, way more than that.

 

[Clayton Moore]

How much should it have cost and what exactly should have been payed by that money?

That's the best you can do after 14,000 posts?

 

[Clayton Moore]

The FBI, CIA, Secret Service and FAA investigations cost way, way more than that.

What does that have to do with Bush preventing the starting of an investigation in a timely fashion and ridiculously underfunding it?

 

[triforcharity]

Another non-response.
If you have a rebuttal, state it.

Here you go champ.

The FDC's are located on the side of the building. In this case, two were located on the corner of Veasey and Washington St. and also on the opposite corner, being Veasey and West Broadway. Which would be the SE corner and SW corner, respectively.

What was the problem with the area of the SE corner of 7WTC?


It was severely damaged.

Here's a layout of the piping structure of 7WTC in that corner.

And here is the layout of the piping that was in 7WTC.

Now, what would happen if the system was damaged in the SW corner, where the pumps and FDC's were located?

 

[dafydd]

Can someone please tell me what the **** the point of this 'argument' is?

To demonstrate the ignorance of CT nuts

 

[dafydd]

You are the one who is floundering.

That is taking cognitive dissonance too far. You could flounder for an Olympic floundering team.

 

[Animal]

Let TFC speak for himself. He did not site anything and there is nothing invalid about the code I listed.

Which doe not change the fact that it is not valid.

 

[Bell]

That's the best you can do after 14,000 posts?

This, as you might have noticed, doesn't answer my question.

 

[Christopher7]

Here you go champ.

The FDC's are located on the side of the building. In this case, two were located on the corner of Veasey and Washington St. and also on the opposite corner, being Veasey and West Broadway. Which would be the SE corner and SW corner, respectively.

What was the problem with the area of the SE corner of 7WTC?


It was severely damaged.

Here's a layout of the piping structure of 7WTC in that corner.


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/wtc7layout2.png


And here is the layout of the piping that was in 7WTC.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/wtc7layout2.png


Now, what would happen if the system was damaged in the SW corner, where the pumps and FDC's were located?

Thank you for the schematic. Would you post Figure B-16 pg 193 [pdf pg 245] please?

 

[Travis]

What does that have to do with Bush preventing the starting of an investigation in a timely fashion and ridiculously underfunding it?

Everything since that particular investigation was of largely little consequence compared to the other investigations that were very well funded.

 

[NoahFence]

Chrisopher7 -

You still don't know what the missing ingredient is?

What is it that could cause the fire department to have all the water in the world, but no way of getting it to the fire?

 

[leftysergeant]

You have limited water. You have two buildings on fire. One of the is empty and in obvious danger of collapse. The fires are of low intensity and there is no particularly hazardous material in the empty, unstable building. The other burning building is fully involved and contains hazardous materials that may explode and send an even more noxious cloud of debris into the air, endangering those personnel attempting to find and rescuse victims of the collapses.

You need to have charged lines running to various locations on the rubble pile to deal with any fires that may flare up as rubble is removed.

And now, as Tri just pointed out, you do not even know for certain that the standpipes are going to hold water or that the automated sprinkjlers are going to function well enough to handle the fire without sending people into the building.

So it comes down to priorities and feasibility.

WTC7 just wasn't that important.

 

[leftysergeant]

Are you suggesting that putting water on a fire provides it with more fuel?

*********** brilliant. Pure genius.

Ever see what happens when you try to extinguish a magnesium fire with water?

 

[Mr. Skinny]

(snip)
And now, as Tri just pointed out, you do not even know for certain that the standpipes are going to hold water or that the automated sprinkjlers are going to function well enough to handle the fire without sending people into the building.

IMO, the sprinkler system would be overwhelmed pretty quickly if there was any reduction in expected water supply. In that case, the fire will exceed the demand area that the system was designed for, and ultimately so many sprinkler heads will be open that the water spray "umbrella" expected from each head is reduced to a dribble of water.