Ed Pentagon - TruthMakesPeace

[jaydeehess]

You were asked how many put orders were normal for this time of year and for this industry. I did not see where you answered the question.

If a fire destroys a Nabisco factory tomorrow and it tunrns out that the day before someone had put orders against Nabisco will that be 'proof' of arson?

If that someone was Rumsfeld's brother in law or Elie Wiesel further scrutiny would be required.

It was 9/11 for goodness sake. Why would the names of who made put orders be kept secret?

Which is you once again avoiding the question that WAS asked.

As for your reply in the form of another question; its quite obvious why names are not released, especially for these particular put orders. Let's say that Mr.X had a large put order against American Airlines. He has been betting on put orders, specifically airlines, for a deacde or so. His order is slighhtly larger than previous Sept's but still not that great a difference from what he had been doing before. Does he want his name released? Does he want 911 Conspiracy hounds at his door, slamming him on the internet forums as a traitor and co-conspiractor in mass murder? I think not.

In order to have even the slightest chance of someone getting access to the names of these people you would need some EVIDENCE of wrong doing. To that end if it could be shown that there was a significantly larger number and value of put orders against airline stocks for Sept/01 then you might have some small bit of evidence in that regard.

THUS you have been asked the above question and still you refuse to address it.

No, what you want is a fishing expedition in the hopes that there is some power person or organization that you can concoct a story about. You are looking for witches, you would have been a magistrate in Salem a few centuries ago.

 

[jaydeehess]

As an analogy to the above post;
In my time with Transport Canada an aircraft crashed near our airport(pilot had a heart attack and the passenger subsequently paniced and flew l too low).

Radio conversation and radar tapes were pulled and reviewed by NTSB (yes we call it that in Canada too) and NO ONE ELSE ever had access to those tapes. The NTSB did not assume there was any malfeasence on the part of any radio operator or malfunction of the communications systems on the ground but beacuse it was a special incident they investigated it. Nothing other than the paniced bad decisions of the passenger at the controls was ever found to be contributory to this tragedy.
In the case of the put orders the SEC investigated simply beacuse it was an incident, not because there was suspicion of any malfeasence, and none was found. Releaseing the names of those involved would serve no purpose much as releasing the tapes of radio traffic in the above incident would serve no purpose AND it would case emotional distress to innocent people.

 

[The Big Dog]

Which is you once again avoiding the question that WAS asked.

As for your reply in the form of another question; its quite obvious why names are not released, especially for these particular put orders. Let's say that Mr.X had a large put order against American Airlines. He has been betting on put orders, specifically airlines, for a deacde or so. His order is slighhtly larger than previous Sept's but still not that great a difference from what he had been doing before. Does he want his name released? Does he want 911 Conspiracy hounds at his door, slamming him on the internet forums as a traitor and co-conspiractor in mass murder? I think not.

In order to have even the slightest chance of someone getting access to the names of these people you would need some EVIDENCE of wrong doing. To that end if it could be shown that there was a significantly larger number and value of put orders against airline stocks for Sept/01 then you might have some small bit of evidence in that regard.

THUS you have been asked the above question and still you refuse to address it.

No, what you want is a fishing expedition in the hopes that there is some power person or organization that you can concoct a story about. You are looking for witches, you would have been a magistrate in Salem a few centuries ago.

Hell you don't even have to speculate. Many of the purchasers of the puts subscribed to an investment newsletter. The subscription list would be a trade secret, which is not public knowledge nor should it be.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Seems to me SEC oversight for the past 50 years has been fraught with oversight. Certainly the puts are an "as far as I can throw them" situation that needs a look see. All involved need to throw up their "safeguards" and submit to public scrutiny. The secrecy is not unlike Cheney's refusal to reveal his records/papers/visitor logs/etc.

 

[The Big Dog]

Seems to me SEC oversight for the past 50 years has been fraught with oversight. Certainly the puts are an "as far as I can throw them" situation that needs a look see. All involved need to throw up their "safeguards" and submit to public scrutiny. The secrecy is not unlike Cheney's refusal to reveal his records/papers/visitor logs/etc.

Really, you got a response back from your FOIA that fast?

Ha, just kidding, we know you won't issue one.

Cheney's Papers? Your understanding of Executive Privilege and Separation of Powers is extraordinary.

Good for you.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I gotta tell you, there ain't no argument like a "Clayton is sure" argument because a "Clayton is sure" argument Don't Stop!

Classic! Say Clayton Moore, I assume that you issued your own FOIA to get this information, right?

I'm mean you are "sure" and all, tell me you aren't just JAQ'ing on the internet, now are you?

lulz.

It would be a slow mo world if people were never sure about most of their actions.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Really, you got a response back from your FOIA that fast?

Ha, just kidding, we know you won't issue one.

Cheney's Papers? Your understanding of Executive Privilege and Separation of Powers is extraordinary.

Good for you.

Didn't help Nixon a whole hell of a lot.

 

[Craig4]

Seems to me SEC oversight for the past 50 years has been fraught with oversight. Certainly the puts are an "as far as I can throw them" situation that needs a look see. All involved need to throw up their "safeguards" and submit to public scrutiny. The secrecy is not unlike Cheney's refusal to reveal his records/papers/visitor logs/etc.

So, is there or is there not evidence that the put orders were related to 9/11?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Really, you got a response back from your FOIA that fast?

Ha, just kidding, we know you won't issue one.

Isn't that the MSM's bread and butter? Fishing expeditions?

 

[The Big Dog]

Isn't that the MSM's bread and butter? Fishing expeditions?

Wait.... you are saying that you are too lazy to issue a FOIA?

You are going to leave it to the MSM?

/MSM? How quaint. Someday you might here about a little thing called the internet. The MSM is DOA. But makes a convenient fall guy and excuse for you to continue conspira-spanking.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Great, show us some evidence now. Prove any put orders were related to 9/11. Was it common or uncommon to have put orders on airline stocks? What other factors might explain put orders?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd0Vwg6DVPI

 

[Clayton Moore]

Great, show us some evidence now. Prove any put orders were related to 9/11. Was it common or uncommon to have put orders on airline stocks? What other factors might explain put orders?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClpG2B8yqI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

 

[DGM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd0Vwg6DVPI

Proving again your inability to think for yourself. Do you have someone dress you too?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Wait.... you are saying that you are too lazy to issue a FOIA?

You are going to leave it to the MSM?

/MSM? How quaint. Someday you might here about a little thing called the internet. The MSM is DOA. But makes a convenient fall guy and excuse for you to continue conspira-spanking.

It's DOA? When did that happen?

 

[The Big Dog]

It's DOA? When did that happen?

Hey Clayton, they have the internet on computers now!

You can visit Russia Times,
Al Jazeera,
Wikileaks,
hell you can even post your own ill-informed opinions on your own web site!

GO forth my friend!

 

[jaydeehess]

Seems to me SEC oversight for the past 50 years has been fraught with oversight. Certainly the puts are an "as far as I can throw them" situation that needs a look see. All involved need to throw up their "safeguards" and submit to public scrutiny. .

Why?
Do you have REASON (ie. evidence) to believe that in this case (9/11 'put orders) that there were laws broken? (iinsider trading for instance, which is effectively what you seem to believe occured).

Your personal dislikes and political beliefs do not BTW, count as evidence.

 

[jaydeehess]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd0Vwg6DVPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClpG2B8yqI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

A few points;
We asked you if the put options were unusual, is this addressed in the videos?
Are you the author of the videos, after all we asked you.

Are you capable of summing up what we will learn in these videos?

Are we to watch and then discuss them here?

If we do will you ACTUALLY discuss anything, will you address points made here about them?
.

,,,,,,,, or will you do as another poster here, bill smith, was famous for, post a video and then when skeptics watch it and comment,,,,,,, there is silence and absolute aversion to substantive replies.

 

[jaydeehess]

Isn't that the MSM's bread and butter? Fishing expeditions?

No. They are in the business of investigative journalism. IF they have sufficient reason to suspect wrongdoing they will investigate. So far no one has seen any reason to do so on this topic. Its not like the SEC is loved by all. I am sure that there are many persons, Alex Jones comes to mind, with the wherewithal to file a FOIA request. For all I know you might have the ability to string words together in a coherent fashion and file one yourself.

So, once again we ask (you;
were the numbers of put options on ailine stocks significantly different for Sept '01 than for the same time period in past years?

 

[jaydeehess]

It's DOA? When did that happen?

Well it may not be dead but its on life support;

the number of newspaper and magazines being printed has been dropping steadily for over a decade now.
last year saw the percentage of N.American households that do NOT have a television rise for the first time in several decades
the number of people who report they get their news from internet sites alone has continued to rise for at least a decade
"Huffinton Post" just sold for a very healthy profit while mainstream new organizations struggle to keep going.

need more?

 

[tsig]

You were asked how many put orders were normal for this time of year and for this industry. I did not see where you answered the question.

If a fire destroys a Nabisco factory tomorrow and it tunrns out that the day before someone had put orders against Nabisco will that be 'proof' of arson?

So it's the Kebler elves after all.