Ed Pentagon - TruthMakesPeace

Thank you for the very interesting article by Apathoid. I'll make another donation to JREF. Apathoid is an airline mechanic, with information supportive of the AOIRCP theory. He only says that that adapting a 757 for Remote Control would be "difficult" but not impossible.
It could be done, yes, but it would be extremely conspicuous and time-consuming.

3) Remotely guiding Flights 11, 77, 93 and 175 into their respective targets. This solves all of the problems
presented above and then some. But how would it be accomplished, theoretically? Is there an easy way ? Short
answer. No, there is not an easy way to do this for two reasons:

-A very well trained flight crew.
-A very complex and very redundant web of systems that work together to control every aspect of flight. Moreover, the pilots have complete control over these systems from the flight deck, and they are constantly
monitored by the airplanes defenses such as the Master Caution/Warning System, Engine Indicating and Crew
Alerting System(EICAS) as well as the Aircraft Condition Monitoring System(ACMS). I'm getting ahead of
myself, though. I'll go into these systems later on, in depth, and show how they can not only detect a sabotage, but
detect problems in real-time as they happen.
The RC systems would've had to somehow bypass all of those, to try and wrest control from a group of hijackers who are now alerted that something's going wrong and are wearing oxygen masks.

Why does your theory hinge on a knockout, anyway? Why not just cut off all communications entirely, as long as they're ninja-installing the complex RC system and network of hidden cameras? Just switch off the plane's radio and-oh, right, you can't explain the cell phones without the people being knocked out by depressurization, which would not be universally incapacitating.

I suspect you didn't actually read farther than the bits you could strawman into supporting your argument.

He discusses various scenarios. In one scenario, he assumes pilots were conscious and able to regain control of the plane, by simply putting on oxygen masks during depressurization. The AOIRCP theory proposes the hijackers incapacitated the pilots. Then depressurization incapacitated everyone, including the hijackers.
Except that since the hijackers would become the pilots. Depressurization occurs, and they just put on the masks like the original pilots would've.

Hidden cameras could show if they were knocked out. So there were no barriers to RC.
Aside from the fact that people can still breathe at 10,000, what would the people operating the RCs do? Depresssurize the plane again?

Apathoid describes the Cabin Outflow Valve which, if modified, could have released the air, without requiring windows to be blown out. He writes that there is a backup. But that could have been disabled by agents in a ground crew. He assumes that a normal ground crew and inspectors were in place. The AOIRCP proposes they were in on it.
Not to mention the people who were in charge of said ground crew, and would've drawn a link between "new groundcrew and luggage people" and "said people working on a plane that was used in a terrorist attack". I mean, this would require four separate crews at locations across the Eastern Seaboard, each increasing the risk of discovery exponentially. I'm not sure of the size of the people who

No one said anything had to be easy to be possible. The USA went to the Moon 6 times over 30 years ago, and remote controls surveyors on Mars. Apathoid concludes: "With modern technology, almost anything is possible; certainly "robo-jets" are possible."
yet the only example you've been able to produce crashed.

I would not run across the freeway against speeding traffic, since I would likely be harmed. However, doing so would still give me better odds than this conspiracy you cling to with both hands. It would be too risky to make it out of the planning stage, much less implementation, much less the smashing success that you allege it was.
 
Off topic, already covered. For (hopefully) the last time: UA were put options and the perps made millions. Even if AA stock buys were normal, as a cover up, so what? The perps could simply hold them until the AMR stock went back up, as they did by 2003, and even higher by 2007. So no money was lost.


Thank you for the very interesting article by Apathoid. I'll make another donation to JREF. Apathoid is an airline mechanic, with information supportive of the AOIRCP theory. He only says that that adapting a 757 for Remote Control would be "difficult" but not impossible. He discusses various scenarios. In one scenario, he assumes pilots were conscious and able to regain control of the plane, by simply putting on oxygen masks during depressurization. The AOIRCP theory proposes the hijackers incapacitated the pilots. Then depressurization incapacitated everyone, including the hijackers. Hidden cameras could show if they were knocked out. So there were no barriers to RC.

Apathoid describes the Cabin Outflow Valve which, if modified, could have released the air, without requiring windows to be blown out. He writes that there is a backup. But that could have been disabled by agents in a ground crew. He assumes that a normal ground crew and inspectors were in place. The AOIRCP proposes they were in on it.

No one said anything had to be easy to be possible. The USA went to the Moon 6 times over 30 years ago, and remote controls surveyors on Mars. Apathoid concludes: "With modern technology, almost anything is possible; certainly "robo-jets" are possible."

Who are these "perps"? Who are you accusing of mass murder?

As to the outflow valve, you're talking about could have. Present evidence it was tampered with? Could have doesn't matter.
 
Yeah right. I'm gonna get egged on by someone who believes black holes collapsed the WTC buildings.

I said this when? No really, I'm curious as to when I've ever advanced a theory other than Al Qaida terrorists hijacked four planes and crashed them into three buildings. The first and second order effects of these crashes destroyed three buildings in the World Trade Center and caused significant damage to the Pentagon. Please do share where I suggest a black hole was somehow involved.
 
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Google gravity collapse lol. These truthers are more fun that a barrel of monkeys. Pity that the subject matter is so serious,but we can still be amazed and amused by their ignorance.
 
Off topic, already covered. For (hopefully) the last time: UA were put options and the perps made millions. Even if AA stock buys were normal, as a cover up, so what? The perps could simply hold them until the AMR stock went back up, as they did by 2003, and even higher by 2007. So no money was lost.


Thank you for the very interesting article by Apathoid. I'll make another donation to JREF. Apathoid is an airline mechanic, with information supportive of the AOIRCP theory. He only says that that adapting a 757 for Remote Control would be "difficult" but not impossible. He discusses various scenarios. In one scenario, he assumes pilots were conscious and able to regain control of the plane, by simply putting on oxygen masks during depressurization. The AOIRCP theory proposes the hijackers incapacitated the pilots. Then depressurization incapacitated everyone, including the hijackers. Hidden cameras could show if they were knocked out. So there were no barriers to RC.

Apathoid describes the Cabin Outflow Valve which, if modified, could have released the air, without requiring windows to be blown out. He writes that there is a backup. But that could have been disabled by agents in a ground crew. He assumes that a normal ground crew and inspectors were in place. The AOIRCP proposes they were in on it.

No one said anything had to be easy to be possible. The USA went to the Moon 6 times over 30 years ago, and remote controls surveyors on Mars. Apathoid concludes: "With modern technology, almost anything is possible; certainly "robo-jets" are possible."

You mean where he says "Overall, the pressurization sabotage is a terrible idea, if it’s even possible"?
 
Apparently no evidence either to support the theories he's put out...Truly amazing that the likes of the TM demand proof that our explanations are viable and expect to make petty claims and not have to generate proof by themselves...
 
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Off topic, already covered. For (hopefully) the last time: UA were put options and the perps made millions. Even if AA stock buys were normal, as a cover up, so what? The perps could simply hold them until the AMR stock went back up, as they did by 2003, and even higher by 2007. So no money was lost.
SEC and your slander. Fully on topic.
as was stated in the 9/11 CR it was fully investigated and there was NOTHING WRONG.... oopsie.

that is like claiming that 9/11 was designed so that people could buy up real estate in manhattan after 9/11 at a fraction of the price.

Have you bothered to check with the SEC yet? didn't think so.


Thank you for the very interesting article by Apathoid. I'll make another donation to JREF. Apathoid is an airline mechanic, with information supportive of the AOIRCP theory. He only says that that adapting a 757 for Remote Control would be "difficult" but not impossible. He discusses various scenarios. In one scenario, he assumes pilots were conscious and able to regain control of the plane, by simply putting on oxygen masks during depressurization. The AOIRCP theory proposes the hijackers incapacitated the pilots. Then depressurization incapacitated everyone, including the hijackers. Hidden cameras could show if they were knocked out. So there were no barriers to RC.

funny... it would only be "difficult." You finally READ the *********** report, but you then don't understand it. Too bad.

wouldn't it have been easier to just find 4 people who were willing to crash jets into buildings?

Apathoid describes the Cabin Outflow Valve which, if modified, could have released the air, without requiring windows to be blown out. He writes that there is a backup. But that could have been disabled by agents in a ground crew. He assumes that a normal ground crew and inspectors were in place. The AOIRCP proposes they were in on it.
wow..the conspiracy grows and grows... first the SEC, then the FBI, now the ground crews at the airlines... and that would also mean the airlines were part of it...

staggering amount of people involved.

No one said anything had to be easy to be possible. The USA went to the Moon 6 times over 30 years ago, and remote controls surveyors on Mars. Apathoid concludes: "With modern technology, almost anything is possible; certainly "robo-jets" are possible."

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Irreducible delusion...
 
wouldn't it have been easier to just find 4 people who were willing to crash jets into buildings?


wow..the conspiracy grows and grows... first the SEC, then the FBI, now the ground crews at the airlines... and that would also mean the airlines were part of it...

staggering amount of people involved.
I still find it amazing that every CT I've read always starts at a ridiculous level of complexity, rather than a simpler scheme that would produce the same result.

Every. Single. One.
 
Did I miss a clear and intelligent response to the point that the air at 10,000 feet isn't thin enough to make people pass out?

Dave

You might get a response from young Clayton but it won't be clear or intelligent.
 
SEC and your slander. Fully on topic.
as was stated in the 9/11 CR it was fully investigated and there was NOTHING WRONG.... oopsie.

that is like claiming that 9/11 was designed so that people could buy up real estate in manhattan after 9/11 at a fraction of the price.

Have you bothered to check with the SEC yet? didn't think so.




funny... it would only be "difficult." You finally READ the *********** report, but you then don't understand it. Too bad.

wouldn't it have been easier to just find 4 people who were willing to crash jets into buildings?


wow..the conspiracy grows and grows... first the SEC, then the FBI, now the ground crews at the airlines... and that would also mean the airlines were part of it...

staggering amount of people involved.



<facepalm>
<double facepalm>
Irreducible delusion...

A no name SEC investigation. Staggering delusion.
 

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