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OH Clayton..
yOu weren't paying attention.
I provided him with the DIRECT names of the three investigators for the SEC report.
Care to demonstrate your investagoogle skillz and look them up?
Maybe you can then email them and ask for clarificaiton... but I doubt it.
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Hell the name of the Newsletter that recommended the puts is in the Commission documents.
Did he notice that?
No.
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To be fair if its not on a 911 conspiracy website then Clayton doesn't see it. If something is
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Remote Control of Cabin Pressure Outflow Valve and FMS
Is RC possible? Keep in mind that Drones over Pakistan are controlled from Nevada (12194 km or 7577 miles). NASA controls devices on the Mars Rover every day (distance from Earth varies from 36 to 250 million miles).
Photos from www.911Pentagon.org and www.911Pentagon.org/Apathoid
Thanks to JREF for ideas.
Suspected perps. They are innocent until judged guilty in a Court of Law.
The Cabin Outflow Valve (COV) could have been modified to be forced open by a Remote Control (RC) device, and should have been examined in the wreckage (if recognizable). Loss of air pressure would suffocate the crew, passengers, and duped hijackers (who may have thought it was a regular hijacking) at high altitude (30000 fasl), along with hypothermia. Enhanced RC of the Flight Management System (FMS) could navigate the planes to hit their target buildings. Flight Data Recorders (FDRs) record cabin pressure, but were "not found" or had "no useful data".
Is RC possible? Keep in mind that Drones over Pakistan are controlled from Nevada (12194 km or 7577 miles). NASA controls devices on the Mars Rover every day (distance from Earth varies from 36 to 250 million miles).
Photos from www.911Pentagon.org and www.911Pentagon.org/Apathoid
Thanks to JREF for ideas.
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could have should have would have doesn't make a case for ANYTHING.
And no, Truthmakespeace, in your case not only are they guilty without a court of law, you are accusing them of something that would NEVER even stand up in a court of law.
And no, Truthmakespeace, in your case not only are they guilty without a court of law, you are accusing them of something that would NEVER even stand up in a court of law.
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DGM
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Considering this thread is about AA77. Why did this "cabin pressure drop" not show up on the FDR?
Is that fake too?
Maybe it's best if you start with a list of what's fake and we can go from there?
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If they were at 10,000 feet they were at or even below the height that lots of people spend their lives without pressurisation. Why would tampering with the valve effect the crew?
Plus, do you know what height aircraft are pressurized to?
Plus, do you know what height aircraft are pressurized to?
NoahFence
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As has been said fifteen million times already, wouldn't it just be easier to slam a plane into the side of a building?
Who are they, you have no clue who did it, you have delusions, and you prove it.
At what altitude? LOL, not it can't be operated by RC, that is a lie, you made up a fantasy. The oxygen system would deploy, darn, you are beat again by lack of knowledge.
Not for a 767/757, no RC possible, you failed again. But go ahead keep making up fantasy and expose your lack of knowledge. Where did you go to college, and what was your major?
The FDR shows the terrorists were flying the aircraft to impact, and phone calls show the passengers were not knocked out, your claims are delusional.
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No you see the NWO aren't just evil and out for world domination, they must also do it in the most "interesting" way possible. They are the mustache twirling villans we always saw in old cartoons, only they are real! What probably happened is that they had a vote on the most wacky idea any of them could come up with.
So, crashing a plane into the Pentagon is boring, anyone can do that. But what if they instead flew plane over the building and somehow made everyone think they saw it crash and everyone else not see it fly away? Brilliant! But wait... what if we also knocked over some lamp posts and impaled one in a cab drivers car all without anyone noticing? BRAVO! MARVELLOUS! WON'T IT BE JOLLY GOOD FUN! Its the same reason they like to admit the conspiracy to everyone, like Silverstein saying "pull it" or Rockefeller in his Memoirs who straight out admitted he was out for world domination. MUHAHAHA. *twirls mustache*
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Weird. You seem to have already convicted them.
I like how you keep ignoring the people who point out that a)there are towns at 10,000 feet b)the loss of air pressure wouldn't be fast or reliable enough to knock everyone out c)the loss of pressure would automatically trigger the oxygen masks.
Keep in mind that men with a similar skin color to the President blow themselves up to harm others. Does that mean Obama would become a suicide bomber?
With a significant delay, yes.
Is it possible that someone might've build an RC control for a jet? Yes. Is it possible for them to have covertly installed it on an airplane without anyone realizing someone was up? Nope. It would require extensive, conspicuous modification.
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As I understand it the Everest climbing season has opened with some of the climbers summiting without supplemental oxygen at 29,000 feet..
jaydeehess
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Shall we 'nutshell' TMP's scenario and its many problems;
1) Sudden depressurization caused the occupants to pass out or die.
a) By way of blowing out windows.
PROBLEM: This would severly affect the handling of the aircraft, could easily lead to complete failure of the airframe, and leave a debris trail (that was not found).
b) by remote control of the air outflow valve
PROBLEM:Very slow if the effect is to occur quickly this would not suffice.
Both scenarios require the oxygen mask systems to also fail as well as the separate ones for the pilots.
1) Sudden depressurization caused the occupants to pass out or die.
a) By way of blowing out windows.
PROBLEM: This would severly affect the handling of the aircraft, could easily lead to complete failure of the airframe, and leave a debris trail (that was not found).
b) by remote control of the air outflow valve
PROBLEM:Very slow if the effect is to occur quickly this would not suffice.
Both scenarios require the oxygen mask systems to also fail as well as the separate ones for the pilots.
I'm having a problem imagining that there were no airfone (or cellular) phone calls going on at TMP's moment of depressurization of the cabin. Surely there would have been some current phone call, with some BANG or gasp or sudden unexplained silence -- so I see this depressurization/poison-gassing theory as requiring faked phone calls as well as the remote control (also borrowed from Mehmetin's scenario).
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You are way out of your depth and losing badly. When in a hole,stop digging.
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Congratulations TMP/cicorp, I see that you have done a little research during your short absence from the thread. Unfortunately, not one of your pictures has anything whatsoever to do with a B757/767. Unless of course, looking at your one picture, you are suggesting that military personnel are doing maintenance for the major airlines.
Now, just for *****-n-giggles, let’s say that someone did figure out how to remotely control the output valves. Do you know how much work and time is involved in removing the valves so that they can be modified? And, don’t you think the Captain might be somewhat inquisitive about why two maintenance guys are standing on platforms removing the valves?
Now let’s look at what will happen if indeed remote control was used. If the pressurization was released at a slow rate, say 300ft/min. In about 20 minutes, the audible and visual alarms would activate, and at 14,000ft, the oxygen masks would deploy. By the way, the Time of Useful Consciousness (TUC) at 14,000ft is indefinite. If the pressurization could be released at a high rate, without an explosive decompression, the same would occur. Even at 30,000ft, the TUC is 30 seconds, plenty of time to don the oxygen masks. (Flight Safety Foundation)
If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask. If you don’t want to ask me, ask Beachnut.
If the picture of the pilot at the controls of a drone is supposed to indicate that a B757/767 can be flown by remote control, let me say that it can’t be done.
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There has been less than 24 hours since my post. This is not ignoring, just being busy.
> a)there are towns at 10,000 feet
Irrelevant. 10,000 is significantly less than "at high altitude (30000 fasl)"
>b)the loss of air pressure wouldn't be fast or reliable enough to knock everyone out
Invalid assumption. Air would rush out rapidly at 30000 fasl, along with warmth.
>c)the loss of pressure would automatically trigger the oxygen masks.
Not if the mechanism and oxygen tanks were tampered with. Ground maintenance logs need to be disclosed and examined. Also, the cabin would become frigid. Hypothermia is debilitating.
>Keep in mind that men with a similar skin color to the President...
Of course not. I never inferred anything about him or cell pigmentation.
>(Mars RC) With a significant delay, yes.
At up to 250 million miles. 9/11 planes were within thousands of miles of potential RC command centers. Response would be at the speed of light, warp factor 1, and practically immediate.
>Is it possible that someone might've build an RC control for a jet? Yes.
That is logical.
>Is it possible for them to have covertly installed it on an airplane without anyone realizing someone was up? Nope.
That is not logical. Look at the 2 photos (previous post) of men working on a Cabin Air Pressure Outflow Valve (CAPOV). Who would suspect he is doing anything suspicious, especially before 9/11? They look like workers just doing their job.
I appreciate the non-censored JREF critical thinking forum, and reasonable responses like yours (without ad hominems) which have helped me quickly eliminate such theories as the OCT, Fly Over, drone planes, cyanide gas, my exploding windows hypothesis, etc. If a theory survives a JREF shake down, it must be pretty close to the truth. If not, I drop it like a hot potato. I am not the theory, only its present advocate (to give voice to). So, have at it.
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