The Truth Movement: Finally, Lost in Space

R.Mackey said:
Four days out of sixty gone, and no hint of progress in sight. I actually didn't predict quite this level of fail, but Truthers have always exceeded in that department.
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Lol. I must have missed this, yet another bedunker "challenge" in the miles of empty verbiage that was the OP.

Um, what part of what's already been explained ad nauseum to you do you still not understand? :eye-poppi

Apparently Ryan Mackey has a tendency to avoid questions posed to him when they get too specific and beyond his capacity to answer intelligently. So I'm not sure what moral or intellectual authority he is imagining for himself that he thinks he can issue "challenges" here to others. Challenges that, so far, betray a complete incomprehension of facts and issues already compiled.

Bedunker threads are best ignored.
 
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What part of what's already been explained ad nauseum to you do you still not understand?
 
R.Mackey said:
For some time now, I've had a mind to start this thread, which has to do with quantifying the depths of obscurity to which the 9/11 Truth Movement has sunk. However, with the recent discovery and killing of Usama bin Laden and the resulting final closure of the event that gave the Truth Movement life, now is perhaps the right time.
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I have scarcely posted here since 2007, so I can vouch for your post R. Mackey. I had a similar test myself. I had lost interest in conspiracy theorists all together, and had decided that I would only engage in debate or discussion with them once something new arose from their side. I'm not even sure if many people around here would even remember who I am.

This is not to say that my presence here now suggests that the conspiracy movement has come up with anything new, but the death of Usama Bin Laden did reignite my interest. You're absolutely right though, there has been no new theories or evidence brought to light surrounding the attacks themselves in recent memory. I can still debunk every theory I read off the top of my head and I haven't researched the topic seriously in nearly three years.

I've started working on a second edition to my refutation of 9/11 Mysteries though -- but only to outlast the renewed interest that the 10th anniversary of the attacks will undoubtedly generate. There's no new information to consider, but there's a heap of dead links in there :p

Let's see what your challenge will reveal!
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I mentioned the middle east uprisings for good reason, mostly because their circumstances are a good analogy to the situation that the truth movement alludes to when it says the government committed mass murder on its own people. They have periodically managed to gather huge crowds to challenge their status quo. Their governments conducted serious crackdowns to censor those protests from killing people to complete internet censorship which themselves failed to stop the protests from organizing.
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And to put the point more succinctly, the ME protersters are protesting even though they know theyre putting their own well-being and possibly even their life at risk, because their governments can and do put down peaceful demonstrations with violence. American and European Truthers, on the other hand, would not be at any risk from the authorities as long as they themselves refrain from violence.
 
ergo said:
What part of what's already been explained ad nauseum to you do you still not understand?
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I'm having trouble understanding the part where you claim to have evidence.
 
LashL said:
Several posts have been moved to the general discussion thread and some have been moved to Abandon All Hope. Please stick to the topic, which is not the collapse of 7WTC and not each other.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL
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As usual, interesting collection you moved to AAH. Poor Mackey, can be glad he has a lawyer defending him. :rolleyes:

Oz, now you know how it works here.

Listened to an interview with Mr. Peacenik on a show hosted by a certain Steve Quayle or something (can't stand listening to Alex Jones for more than five minutes in a row). Interesting character. Well connected.
 
Childlike Empress said:
As usual, interesting collection you moved to AAH. Poor Mackey, can be glad he has a lawyer defending him. :rolleyes:

Oz, now you know how it works here.

Listened to an interview with Mr. Peacenik on a show hosted by a certain Steve Quayle or something (can't stand listening to Alex Jones for more than five minutes in a row). Interesting character. Well connected.
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Wait..........the stuff that was moved was new?


You didn't actually read the OP, did you?

:rolleyes:
 
DGM said:
Wait..........the stuff that was moved was new?


You didn't actually read the OP, did you?

:rolleyes:
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:dl:

More whining.

For the record, I neither requested nor desired stuff to be moved out of this thread. I thought it was a rather poigniant illustration of the total paralysis of the Truth Movement.

Although, this way we get to see the deep paranoia instead...

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R.Mackey said:
:dl:

More whining.

For the record, I neither requested nor desired stuff to be moved out of this thread. I thought it was a rather poigniant illustration of the total paralysis of the Truth Movement.

Although, this way we get to see the deep paranoia instead...

Tick tick tick...
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The really funny part was the 10 post that ended up in AAH had nothing to do with "truth". The other post were moved to "general discussion". So even in his bitching he's irrelevant.


:o
 
R.Mackey said:
What I envision is something similar for the Truth Movement. Let's say we give it, oh, sixty days from right now to say something insightful. It could be anything. It could be a new result or uncovering new evidence. It could be a well-formed hypothesis. It could be acknowledgement of some established but long-resisted fact, demonstrating that the Truth Movement still has some capability to learn or reason. It could even be "Just Asking a Question," provided the question is well-considered and sparks some thought to answer. Any one of these, I'll give it my personal thumbs-up and reset the timer.
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Were I to propose such a challenge, I would add "come up with 1,000 marchers at the 9/11/2011 event" (though this would fall outside the sixty day limit).

More victims and victims families come from or lived in NYC than any other place in the world. If they can't break three digits on the tenth anniversary, in the place where it happened, then they are done.
 
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R.Mackey said:
:dl:

More whining.

For the record, I neither requested nor desired stuff to be moved out of this thread. I thought it was a rather poigniant illustration of the total paralysis of the Truth Movement.

Although, this way we get to see the deep paranoia instead...

Tick tick tick...
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You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. Peacenik, Mackey. He's alive and kicking, not some figure from 2002 as you claimed. Why doesn't he reset the timer?

R.Mackey said:
If you Google the story above, we find that despite the fresh date on the webpage, the "interview" with Dr. Pieczenik (Peacenik?? Nom de plume?) took place in 2002.

This is a singularly good example of negative progress in the Truth Movement. Even the "top insider" seems to have moved on, but the nuts haven't.
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Childlike Empress said:
You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. Peacenik, Mackey. He's alive and kicking, not some figure from 2002 as you claimed. Why doesn't he reset the timer?
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Has he said anything new and insightful recently? Or are you claiming that he provides a continuous stream of new insight merely by existing?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
tempesta29 said:
School teachers make a living too. Does that mean there's a lot of money in teaching? No. Do you have any tangible evidence of these people's finances?
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Actually, yes. There's this organization called the IRS, and if you are running a company (AE911 for instance) you have to submit these things called "forms" and due to the not-for-profit nature it becomes what's known as "public information"

do try to keep up.
 
Wait, wait wait --

They want me to stop the clock just because some Truther is still alive? And saying the same things after eight years? That qualifies as news?

What next, we start giving out certificates of achievement for breathing?
 
R.Mackey said:
Wait, wait wait --

They want me to stop the clock just because some Truther is still alive? And saying the same things after eight years? That qualifies as news?

What next, we start giving out certificates of achievement for breathing?
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Tsk tsk tsk, what you're doing isn't sciency. I don't expect you to stop the clock at all, as you can read in what is now the OP of the thread in AAH. Enjoy the funeral.
 
R.Mackey said:
Wait, wait wait --

They want me to stop the clock just because some Truther is still alive? And saying the same things after eight years? That qualifies as news?

What next, we start giving out certificates of achievement for breathing?
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Well, you know... non-backwards progress must be a sign of forward progress, right?

Hey, it ain't the worst logic I've seen from the truther camp.
 
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