The Truth Movement: Finally, Lost in Space

[Grizzly Bear]

I guess I'll opt out of this thread at this point. I'm not concerned with how other people perceive a "movement" to be performing. As much as people such as yourself and the OP would like to generalize people who share the same belief as being a "team" that can win or lose or be ridiculed for poor performance, that isn't based in reality. Obviously people who hold beliefs they are passionate about will gravitate to one another, but this isn't a football game.

My whole point is, you're alluding to the idea that it doesn't pay to be publicly associated with the TM for all of the ridicule it receives, yet this explanation doesn't fit.

I mentioned the middle east uprisings for good reason, mostly because their circumstances are a good analogy to the situation that the truth movement alludes to when it says the government committed mass murder on its own people. They have periodically managed to gather huge crowds to challenge their status quo. Their governments conducted serious crackdowns to censor those protests from killing people to complete internet censorship which themselves failed to stop the protests from organizing.

Not trying to make this a game, this is what I've seen over the last several years. Whether it's a lack of evidence or a lack of motivation... either attitude's not going to help a movement that aims to show that there was some massive scheme around 9/11... :\

Sorry if you took offense, but that's not really how I intended it to be read

 

[NoahFence]

Yet here you are: clearly so perturbed by this failure of a movement that you've come here to criticize it. So no, your point isn't over my head: I just think you have no point.

If people are unwilling to listen, then no amount of volume will change that.

I think the point is, turn down the volume, and turn up the content.

 

[R.Mackey]

As this thread grows in size...


... and no one addresses the OP...

... it raises the question: Are Truthers unable to understand the OP? That's not a very charitable assessment, so no, let us not leap to that conclusion.

Therefore, they must be ignoring the OP. Which, indeed, proves its very point.

They don't seem to understand that the usual Truther tactics of Argumentum ad nauseum don't work here. I have turned the tables. To carry on as they always do, avoiding any progress and simply trying to bog down the discussion, means they lose decisively this time. So, by all means, keep flailing. Make as many nonsense posts as you like. It only digs the hole deeper.

 

[Disbelief]

I guess I'll opt out of this thread at this point. I'm not concerned with how other people perceive a "movement" to be performing. As much as people such as yourself and the OP would like to generalize people who share the same belief as being a "team" that can win or lose or be ridiculed for poor performance, that isn't based in reality. Obviously people who hold beliefs they are passionate about will gravitate to one another, but this isn't a football game.

Bolding mine. I guess that statement was just another untruth from a truther.

 

[cantonear1968]

As this thread grows in size...


... and no one addresses the OP...

... it raises the question: Are Truthers unable to understand the OP? That's not a very charitable assessment, so no, let us not leap to that conclusion.

Therefore, they must be ignoring the OP. Which, indeed, proves its very point.

They don't seem to understand that the usual Truther tactics of Argumentum ad nauseum don't work here. I have turned the tables. To carry on as they always do, avoiding any progress and simply trying to bog down the discussion, means they lose decisively this time. So, by all means, keep flailing. Make as many nonsense posts as you like. It only digs the hole deeper.

You're right Ryan. My apologies. Even my answer is a distraction from the question posed in the OP. Which is all that truthers want.

Back on point.

 

[Childlike Empress]

As this thread grows in size...


... and no one addresses the OP...

... it raises the question: Are Truthers unable to understand the OP? That's not a very charitable assessment, so no, let us not leap to that conclusion.

Therefore, they must be ignoring the OP. Which, indeed, proves its very point.

They don't seem to understand that the usual Truther tactics of Argumentum ad nauseum don't work here. I have turned the tables. To carry on as they always do, avoiding any progress and simply trying to bog down the discussion, means they lose decisively this time. So, by all means, keep flailing. Make as many nonsense posts as you like. It only digs the hole deeper.

Actually, several posters including myself have shown an understanding of the nonsensical nature of the OP. You just aren't the authority you pretend to be, Ryan. Apropos pretending, I know by now that you don't have me "on ignore". You're just smart enough to avoid me.

You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. "Peacenik". Didn't even move the goalposts. Maybe that Oz newbie (welcome, btw) will notice.

Will you retire after the burial of the truth movement in a few hours?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

gotta love the Internet

Actually, several posters including myself have shown an understanding of the nonsensical nature of the OP. You just aren't the authority you pretend to be, Ryan. Apropos pretending, I know by now that you don't have me "on ignore". You're just smart enough to avoid me.

Pseudonymous posters thumping their chests in some imagined victory over identifiable expertise is a nice example of the 9/11 Truth Movement not coming up with anything new.

Does anyone have evidence against Ryan's thesis?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

How is this relevant?

A quote may not change over time, but the accuracy of the information contained in that quote can.

 

[dafydd]

Actually, several posters including myself have shown an understanding of the nonsensical nature of the OP. You just aren't the authority you pretend to be, Ryan. Apropos pretending, I know by now that you don't have me "on ignore". You're just smart enough to avoid me.

You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. "Peacenik". Didn't even move the goalposts. Maybe that Oz newbie (welcome, btw) will notice.

Will you retire after the burial of the truth movement in a few hours?

The burial took place a long time ago,the truthers haven't noticed yet. They are not the brightest buttons in the box.

 

[Oz1976]

It obviously doesn't pay all that well to be a 9/11 truther, so I don't see most writers too interested in getting involved in those ideas. Writing a book about fighting terrorism however...

Luke Rudkowski, Richard Gage, Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin and Steven Jones would like a word with you. They'd like to inform you how they've made a living off this nonsense for the last 7+ years. I guess paying your college tuition, going from rags to 3pc suits, being rejected from Purchase Film school to selling your DVD at Best Buy, one book deal after another despite it's preposterous claims, being forced into early retirement but getting to travel the world promoting snake oil, etc etc...

get the picture?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Actually, several posters including myself have shown an understanding of the nonsensical nature of the OP. You just aren't the authority you pretend to be, Ryan. Apropos pretending, I know by now that you don't have me "on ignore". You're just smart enough to avoid me.

You didn't acknowledge the error you made regarding Mr. "Peacenik". Didn't even move the goalposts. Maybe that Oz newbie (welcome, btw) will notice.

Will you retire after the burial of the truth movement in a few hours?

Someone else appears to have foreign silicate matter in their birth canal.

 

[DGM]

Actually, several posters including myself have shown an understanding of the nonsensical nature of the OP.

The OP is a simple request with a time frame. Your problem (as everyone that can read can see) is you have nothing new to add. The challenge is easy. Show why you should not be ignored (as you have been for several years now).

 

[apathoid]

Great OP Ryan. Predictably, your point went right over the resident truther's heads without even messing up their hair!

 

[A W Smith]

Actually, several posters including myself have shown an understanding of the nonsensical nature of the OP.

Please explain how the question is nonsensical
you show no evidence that you understand the OP after nine (9) posts in this thread. Again,

What I envision is something similar for the Truth Movement. Let's say we give it, oh, sixty days from right now to say something insightful. It could be anything. It could be a new result or uncovering new evidence. It could be a well-formed hypothesis. It could be acknowledgement of some established but long-resisted fact, demonstrating that the Truth Movement still has some capability to learn or reason. It could even be "Just Asking a Question," provided the question is well-considered and sparks some thought to answer. Any one of these, I'll give it my personal thumbs-up and reset the timer.

What I expect to find, however, is that there is truly nothing going on in the Truth Movement, it's all been said before, they're happy in their squalid little trench, and that the sixty days will expire without a single iota of progress. If this is the case, I trust you will agree that it's as dead as any "movement" could possibly be.

Shall we try it? If anyone, Truther or not, thinks she's spotted a sign of life, please post it up here -- a link, an original post, whatever. I am genuinely curious. And please, no bashing of anyone. This is an attempt to find the best of their thinking, not the worst. There are other avenues for that.

The clock has started

Got anything? Anything at all CE?

 

[tempesta29]

A quote may not change over time, but the accuracy of the information contained in that quote can.

A generalization. If you think that applies to any of the quotes on the page I linked, then feel free to prove so.

Luke Rudkowski, Richard Gage, Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin and Steven Jones would like a word with you. They'd like to inform you how they've made a living off this nonsense for the last 7+ years. I guess paying your college tuition, going from rags to 3pc suits, being rejected from Purchase Film school to selling your DVD at Best Buy, one book deal after another despite it's preposterous claims, being forced into early retirement but getting to travel the world promoting snake oil, etc etc...

get the picture?

School teachers make a living too. Does that mean there's a lot of money in teaching? No. Do you have any tangible evidence of these people's finances?

Perhaps only Alex Jones can actually say he's been a huge success in this sector of the market. Now compare that with all of the writers peddling other ideas about the war on terror. Get the picture?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Please explain how the question is nonsensical
you show no evidence that you understand the OP after nine (9) posts in this thread. Again,

Got anything? Anything at all CE?

I did explain it in my first (1st) post in this thread. And they're all insightful, like the rest of them.

 

[Oz1976]

A generalization. If you think that applies to any of the quotes on the page I linked, then feel free to prove so.



School teachers make a living too. Does that mean there's a lot of money in teaching? No. Do you have any tangible evidence of these people's finances?

Perhaps only Alex Jones can actually say he's been a huge success in this sector of the market. Now compare that with all of the writers peddling other ideas about the war on terror. Get the picture?

Terrible comparison and you know it. Their finances have been discussed on here ad nauseum...don't be ridiculous. The Luke Rudkowski thread is on the first page, Richard Gages 70 grand a year cash cow has been documented time and time again. Though I will conceed, the Loose Change crew may be in need of other financing, I guess DVD sales have tappered off, with Korey Rowe having to turn to dealing heroin and all...
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/01/911_conspiracy_film_producer_i.html
And Dylan Avery EDITING the upcoming 2011 smash hit, Buzzkill, working with Wes Davis, a teacher, musician and self-proclaimed coffee addict, on a film about a 21 day project to stop drinking coffee and caffeine products. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

[Baylor]

So another thread has been hijacked by a WTC7 "discussion."

 

[R.Mackey]

They sure are.

Four days out of sixty gone, and no hint of progress in sight. I actually didn't predict quite this level of fail, but Truthers have always exceeded in that department.

 

[LashL]

Several posts have been moved to the general discussion thread and some have been moved to Abandon All Hope. Please stick to the topic, which is not the collapse of 7WTC and not each other.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL