Are most homosexuals atheists?

Quad4_72 said:
Yes, another good point. I guess another good question would be how do homosexuals go about interpreting the parts in the bible that state homosexuality is wrong and punishable by death, etc.
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How do shrimp eaters go about interperting Leviticus 11?
 
Quad4_72 said:
Yes, another good point. I guess another good question would be how do homosexuals go about interpreting the parts in the bible that state homosexuality is wrong and punishable by death, etc.
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That is an interesting question, but IMO it's important to realize that even fundamentalists of the US variety, and the RCC, and any Christian you care to mention, cherry pick just as much as the "liberal" Christians. They just do it on different stuff.

In other words, if you think that there is one and only one correct set of Christian values about sexuality, then you're being played by the fundies. They have successfully convinced you that their view is the right Christian one, and everyone else is just pretending.

Your question is interesting, but you're dangerously close to getting tricked into arguing for something you don't necessarily believe in.
 
ThatSoundAgain said:
That is an interesting question, but IMO it's important to realize that even fundamentalists of the US variety, and the RCC, and any Christian you care to mention, cherry pick just as much as the "liberal" Christians. They just do it on different stuff.

In other words, if you think that there is one and only one correct set of Christian values about sexuality, then you're being played by the fundies. They have successfully convinced you that their view is the right Christian one, and everyone else is just pretending.

Your question is interesting, but you're dangerously close to getting tricked into arguing for something you don't necessarily believe in.
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It seems that the conclusions I have drawn from this thread are the following:
No, most homosexuals are not atheists. Also, homosexuals will either cherrypick the bible like everyone else to make it say what they want it to say, or they will just believe that they are living in sin.
 
Quad4_72 said:
It seems that the conclusions I have drawn from this thread are the following:
No, most homosexuals are not atheists. Also, homosexuals will either cherrypick the bible like everyone else to make it say what they want it to say, or they will just believe that they are living in sin.
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most queers don't care what the bible says.
most queers are not atheist, but that does not make us christian..
 
Quad4_72 said:
It seems that the conclusions I have drawn from this thread are the following:
No, most homosexuals are not atheists. Also, homosexuals will either cherrypick the bible like everyone else to make it say what they want it to say, or they will just believe that they are living in sin.
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I do believe that you now accurately understand the situation.

As for my personal experience, none of the homosexuals that I have ever known (either male or female) is an atheist; and all of them either find some religious justifications to support their sexual preference or they feel terrible that they cannot find some religious justifications to support their sexual preference.
 
I know a person who is a lesbian, and a devout catholic. She volunteers to distribute clothing and food to the down and out, drug addicted, prostitutes etc. She is in a relationship with a woman who is married, husband overseas, but doesn't think twice about it.
Her reasoning is "God made me this way so it must be okay." They both attend the same church and sit separately.
Homosexuality and adultery in one neat package and still a Christian. What a hypocrite.
 
I attend a United Methodist church, where at least half the congregation are homosexual (the pastor once walked up to my wife and I and asked, "How is our token hetero couple today?"). We look at it the same way we do eating shrimp or failing to sacrifice our first born.
 
SOdhner said:
I attend a United Methodist church, where at least half the congregation are homosexual (the pastor once walked up to my wife and I and asked, "How is our token hetero couple today?"). We look at it the same way we do eating shrimp or failing to sacrifice our first born.
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You cherry pick it to make the Bible say what you want it to say?
 
Quad4_72 said:
You cherry pick it to make the Bible say what you want it to say?
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Again you seem to be confusing the stance of a very, very small minority of Christians as being the way Christians are supposed to be. As I said earlier for the vast majority of Christians the tenets of their faith comes from their church not direct from the bible. The bible is only one source for the beliefs that most Christians in the world believe in.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Pre marital sex? Are you attempting to be blatantly ignorant to prove a point? It is general knowledge that in the Christian church premarital sex is a sin.
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"General knowledge", yes. But finding specific support for it in the New Testament is actually rather difficult.
Plenty of passages condemn adultery; the only specific prohibitions against sex among the unmarried comes from including them under the blanket term "fornication", which may or may not be correct.
It is "general knowledge" that three kings visited Jesus on the night of his birth. There's no scriptural support for that either.
 
epix said:
Really? Hmm. I thought that the interpretation of the Bible works differently for the atheists than for some of the boy-molesting priests. Now I see that there must be some passages in there, which inspire the atheists the same way to become homosexuals.

I think the some of the theists and all atheists should be ordered to attend Sunday school, otherwise homosexuality could evolve into zoophilia:

He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.”
Genesis 22:5
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Wow. You really missed the point. If you really think atheism leads to homosexuality, then no amount of discussion or introduction to reality will do anything for you. You are deluded. Sorry, but your mythology is no better than any other, and for you to even suggest mandatory attendance for your particular little rituals is ludicrous.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Yes, another good point. I guess another good question would be how do homosexuals go about interpreting the parts in the bible that state homosexuality is wrong and punishable by death, etc.
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thats Old Testament, Christians aren't supposed to worry about the old now defunct covenant, in the same way that Rabbi's don't read from the Gospel :D
 
AvalonXQ said:
"General knowledge", yes. But finding specific support for it in the New Testament is actually rather difficult.
Plenty of passages condemn adultery; the only specific prohibitions against sex among the unmarried comes from including them under the blanket term "fornication", which may or may not be correct.
It is "general knowledge" that three kings visited Jesus on the night of his birth. There's no scriptural support for that either.
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Good examples, I shall have to remember them.
 
Mister Earl said:
Wow. You really missed the point. If you really think atheism leads to homosexuality, then no amount of discussion or introduction to reality will do anything for you.
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You got to be analytically defunct on a large scale when you simplify the issue the way you did. The causes and influences are far more intricate than you can possibly imagine and process, and there is an indication that atheism leads to homosexuality and not the other way around, as you think it's the case. Just listen to the tape . . .

Heather: What kept you? You never showed up for the sermon. Father Yonk was wonderful.

Bill: Honey, I need to tell you something.

Heather: What is it?

Bill: I was late, coz I had sex with Jim.

Heather: I don't believe this!!!!!!

Bill: Neither do I, but that's what happened.


It took only five weeks and the lack of belief made the couple to quit the church. Later, Heather unexpectedly fell in love with a police women who gave her a traffic ticket for driving under the influence of atheism.
 
epix said:
You got to be analytically defunct on a large scale when you simplify the issue the way you did. The causes and influences are far more intricate than you can possibly imagine and process, and there is an indication that atheism leads to homosexuality and not the other way around, as you think it's the case. Just listen to the tape . . .

Heather: What kept you? You never showed up for the sermon. Father Yonk was wonderful.

Bill: Honey, I need to tell you something.

Heather: What is it?

Bill: I was late, coz I had sex with Jim.

Heather: I don't believe this!!!!!!

Bill: Neither do I, but that's what happened.


It took only five weeks and the lack of belief made the couple to quit the church. Later, Heather unexpectedly fell in love with a police women who gave her a traffic ticket for driving under the influence of atheism.
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I see, Epix is saying that having sex is more important than going to church.
 
Darat said:
Again you seem to be confusing the stance of a very, very small minority of Christians as being the way Christians are supposed to be. As I said earlier for the vast majority of Christians the tenets of their faith comes from their church not direct from the bible. The bible is only one source for the beliefs that most Christians in the world believe in.
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No confusion necessary.

Where someone gets their beliefs from is irrelevant - how they are justified matters. And if the church contradicts the bible it still needs to be explained just as much as if the believer did it directly.

If the Bible is the word of God one should follow it.
If it isn't, then there's the question of what the basis for any belief is in the first place.

Sure, you could have a system where clerical revelation trumps scripture - but that isn't the norm, is it?
 
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