Are most homosexuals atheists?

Fnord said:
Both imply a connection between one's level of belief and their degree of sexual deviance. This fallacy is known as "Poisoning the Well", in which adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say, thus giving the person presenting the fallacy just cause to ridicule anyone with an opposite viewpoint.
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Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Do you think being homosexual is being sexually deviant? The only reason I posed the question in the OP is because being homosexual is in direct conflict with the Bible. It's one thing to nit pick at the little things like not wearing clothing woven of two kinds of fabric, not eating pork, etc. But being homosexual is a very large social issue and a lifestyle which directly conflicts with what the Bible says.
 
BadBoy said:
Sounds like a heap of BS to me my man. Me thinks you are trying to paint a picture, but you got the colors all wrong. People are the same everywhere.
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You are very incorrect. People are definitely NOT the same everywhere. I have no idea where you got this belief from or if you have ever left your country, but that fairytale statement is categorically false.
 
BadBoy said:
No not really. You need to consider how long ago it was written and how many times its been translated. Finding a Foreign Body in your soup means something that shouldn't normally be there.

Infact, I'd be surprised if they even used the word Foreign to describe someone from another country:


http://podictionary.com/foreign-podictionary-1010/
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Nope. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible it pretty clear about it. Sorry.
 
Quad4_72 said:
This is true. But what I am referring to is a very large social issue that is specifically addressed in the bible as being an abomination. Something that is specifically addressed as not being allowed in the kingdom of heaven. I have a feeling that you already knew what I was talking about though...
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And he answered correctly, the idea that the Bible has to be interpreted literally in all areas is the view of a very, very tiny subset of people who identify themselves as Christians. I think because some of those have a lot of visibility in the USA it sometimes leaves the impression that they are representative of the majority of Christians. For the vast majority of Christians their teachings come from the doctrine of their particular church not directly from the bible.

A more mainstream Christian approach to matters of homosexuality would be to view it as a sin (because sex should be reserved for marriage) but since most Christian churches have the fact that we are all sinners as one of their core teachings being a sinner in one particular respect does not mean you can't be a Chrisitan.
 
Darat said:
And he answered correctly, the idea that the Bible has to be interpreted literally in all areas is the view of a very, very tiny subset of people who identify themselves as Christians. I think because some of those have a lot of visibility in the USA it sometimes leaves the impression that they are representative of the majority of Christians. For the vast majority of Christians their teachings come from the doctrine of their particular church not directly from the bible.

A more mainstream Christian approach to matters of homosexuality would be to view it as a sin (because sex should be reserved for marriage) but since most Christian churches have the fact that we are all sinners as one of their core teachings being a sinner in one particular respect does not mean you can't be a Chrisitan.
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This is where I think the answer is. Perhaps homosexuals who are christians simply believe that they are sinning when they engage in homosexual behavior but still believe they will get into heaven because they have accepted Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. Then once they get into heaven, they will magically become straight and no longer be sinners. good point.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
It's pretty clear about not working on the sabbath. But many (most?) Christians do.
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As i explained earlier, I am well aware of the smaller things the Bible says you can and cannot do. I am talking about a much larger social issue that is a lifestyle.
 
Quad said:
As i explained earlier, I am well aware of the smaller things the Bible says you can and cannot do. I am talking about a much larger social issue that is a lifestyle.
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There is so much stuff disallowed in the Bible that ordinary Christians do every day without hesitation. Premarital sex, for instance.
 
Quad4_72 said:
This is where I think the answer is. Perhaps homosexuals who are christians simply believe that they are sinning when they engage in homosexual behavior but still believe they will get into heaven because they have accepted Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. Then once they get into heaven, they will magically become straight and no longer be sinners. good point.
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All mainstream Christians believe that we are all sinners, it's a fundamental of most Christian dogma and teachings. To the highlighted part - hmmm......
 
Quad4_72 said:
As i explained earlier, I am well aware of the smaller things the Bible says you can and cannot do. I am talking about a much larger social issue that is a lifestyle.
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Working on the Sabbath is not part of our lifestyle choices? How do you get that?
 
Darat said:
All mainstream Christians believe that we are all sinners, it's a fundamental of most Christian dogma and teachings. To the highlighted part - hmmm......
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The highlighted part I recall from a sermon that I attended years ago on homosexuality. The pastor claimed that it is not homosexuals that will not be allowed into the kingdom of heaven, but homosexual behavior that will not be allowed. So that must mean that they will magically turn straight once they make it to heaven.
 
Rasmus said:
How is homosexuality a "lifestyle" in any meaningful way?
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From your link, that sounds like it to me.

A lifestyle typically also reflects an individual's attitudes, values or worldview. Therefore, a lifestyle is a means of forging a sense of self and to create cultural symbols that resonate with personal identity. Not all aspects of a lifestyle are entirely voluntaristic. Surrounding social and technical systems can constrain the lifestyle choices available to the individual and the symbols she/he is able to project to others and the self
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Quad4_72 said:
From your link, that sounds like it to me.
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If I was to describe my lifestyle it would include factors like the mostly-9-to-5-job I hold, the size and location of my flat, the type of car I drive, my (lack of) religion, political affiliations, hobbies, vacation destinations, the languages I speak and the rites and customs I observe.

My sexual orientation is a lousy indicator for any of these. That I am currently single is a much larger factor than the gender of any partner of mine would be. That I was never married is probably more significant than the gender of who I'd marry, too.

But feel free to simply tell me what the significant difference between the homosexual lifestyle and the heterosexual lifestyle are. (I expect these to be different from simply observing that one assumes you are homosexual where the other doesn't.)

In other words: Is there a difference between "homosexual lifestyle" and "being homosexual" at all?
 
i keep hearing of that alleged homosexual lifestyle, what is it?
 
DC said:
i keep hearing of that alleged homosexual lifestyle, what is it?
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Come to think of it, it could be defined as "how you live if you support the homosexual agenda or would live if the homosexual agenda was already achieved" :D
 
Quad4_72 said:
. Then once they get into heaven, they will magically become straight and no longer be sinners. good point.
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If you believe the words of Jesus Christ as reported by the gospels then people in heaven "will be as angels" and will therefore be asexual ("will not marry"), so the question of hetro- or homosexuality in heaven is moot.
 
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