Merged The Zyklon Induction Columns at Auschwitz.

[uke2se]

Did you watch the video?
Or are you just contributing your best effort to prove me right?

Ehrm...

Your contention is that unless the holes in the roof are at the exact location that your uneducated self and your idiot friend McCalden imagines, they don't exist, despite the fact that they have been found?

Could you answer yes or no, please?

 

[Revdude]

ah, so you have no evidence? very impressive.

That's why I said it was the most "plausible"

Plausible Adjective: Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible:

only a small percentage of Polish Jews were able to flee to the Soviet zone, and in 1941 that zone became Nazi occupied as well.

And you have evidence for this as well...right?

again, only a small percentage of Polish Jews fled to either the Soviet side of Poland or the USSR itself.

And this too?

so you still have no evidence that a majority or even a minority of Poland's Jews escaped to the USSR. that's fascinating.

They were driven to the east by the Germans, weren't they?
There was nowhere else for them to escape to was there?

and I guess you forgot the fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed in Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia after Operation Barbarrosa. Nevermind the one million killed in Ukraine and Russia.

And the proof of this is?

The difference here is that I am assuming they got caught behind Soviet lines. You are claiming facts. As you guys are quick to point out to me...all facts must be proven.

I am basing my opinion on the fact that they literally had nowhere else to go and the Soviets welcomed them.

 

[dafydd]

That's why I said it was the most "plausible"



And you have evidence for this as well...right?



And this too?



They were driven to the east by the Germans, weren't they?
There was nowhere else for them to escape to was there?



And the proof of this is?

The difference here is that I am assuming they got caught behind Soviet lines. You are claiming facts. As you guys are quick to point out to me...all facts must be proven.

I am basing my opinion on the fact that they literally had nowhere else to go and the Soviets welcomed them.

They went to their deaths at the hands of the Nazis,I know that,you know that and you deny it but you would dearly love to see it happen again,just like all the other anti Semitic Holocaust deniers. Be brave and tell me why you hate Jews.

 

[Revdude]

Ehrm...

Your contention is that unless the holes in the roof are at the exact location that your uneducated self and your idiot friend McCalden imagines, they don't exist, despite the fact that they have been found?

Could you answer yes or no, please?

My contention is...that if the holes do not exist in the places where your witnesses claim they should be:

1. There were no wire mesh columns to begin with.
2. There was no gassing in the locations stated by the methods claimed.

Now, I do not mind being proven wrong, nor do I mind being proven wrong about the entirety of the Holocaust, so I am willing to be convinced....

Are you?

 

[dafydd]

My contention is...that if the holes do not exist in the places where your witnesses claim they should be:

1. There were no wire mesh columns to begin with.
2. There was no gassing in the locations stated by the methods claimed.

Now, I do not mind being proven wrong, nor do I mind being proven wrong about the entirety of the Holocaust, so I am willing to be convinced....

Are you?

I am convinced that the Holocaust happened,it's called history. My uncle saw Belsen too.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Well, given that the roof collapsed, I'd be damn impressed if those holes were left where they were originally. That would be a real feat of engineering.

 

[Thunder]

That's why I said it was the most "plausible"
And you have evidence for this as well...right?
And this too?

The USSR also was the refuge of 250,000 Jews fleeing from Nazism—more than any other nation, despite its arguably greater internal disarray and inability to intake a refugee population.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Hi...viet_Union#The_Soviet_Union_and_the_Holocaust

On 22 June 1941, Adolf Hitler abruptly broke the non−aggression pact and invaded the Soviet Union. The Soviet territories occupied by early 1942, including all of Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, and Moldova and most Russian territory west of the line Leningrad-Moscow-Rostov, contained about four million Jews, including hundreds of thousands who had fled Poland in 1939. Despite the chaos of the Soviet retreat, some effort was made to evacuate Jews, who were either employed in the military industries of were family members of servicemen. Of 4 million about a million succeeded in escaping further east. The remaining three million were left at the mercy of the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_Russia#World_War_II

From 1939 to 1941 between 100,000 and 300,000 Polish Jews were deported from Soviet-occupied Polish territory into the Soviet Union. Some of them, especially Polish Communists (e.g. Jakub Berman), moved voluntarily; however, most of them were forcibly deported or imprisoned in Gulag. Small numbers of Polish Jews (about 6,000) were able to leave the Soviet Union in 1942 with the Władysław Anders army, among them the future Prime Minister of IsraelMenachem Begin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_of_Poland#Territories_annexed_by_the_USSR_(1939-1941)

 

[JimBenArm]

Well, given that the roof collapsed, I'd be damn impressed if those holes were left where they were originally. That would be a real feat of engineering.

Of course they're still in the original location.
The holes never moved. Just everything around them.

 

[uke2se]

My contention is...that if the holes do not exist in the places where your witnesses claim they should be:

... according to your interpretation of their witness testimonies, and with you having no knowledge of what happened to the gas chamber roof after it was last used (hint, it was blown up).

1. There were no wire mesh columns to begin with.

To begin with? No, there were wire mesh columns to begin with. They were removed when the SS vacated the camp, as has already been said.

2. There was no gassing in the locations stated by the methods claimed.

This is a sad and tired lie by an ineducable ideologue with no interest in the truth.

Now, I do not mind being proven wrong, nor do I mind being proven wrong about the entirety of the Holocaust, so I am willing to be convinced....

Proving you wrong and convincing you are two different things. You have already been proven wrong, but you remain unconvinced because you don't want to be convinced.

 

[Walter Ego]

So the 5.3 million missing Jews are all living incognito in the remnants of the Soviet Union? That's your final answer solution?

Fixed that for you.

 

[Revdude]

The USSR also was the refuge of 250,000 Jews fleeing from Nazism—more than any other nation, despite its arguably greater internal disarray and inability to intake a refugee population.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Hi...viet_Union#The_Soviet_Union_and_the_Holocaust

On 22 June 1941, Adolf Hitler abruptly broke the non−aggression pact and invaded the Soviet Union. The Soviet territories occupied by early 1942, including all of Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, and Moldova and most Russian territory west of the line Leningrad-Moscow-Rostov, contained about four million Jews, including hundreds of thousands who had fled Poland in 1939. Despite the chaos of the Soviet retreat, some effort was made to evacuate Jews, who were either employed in the military industries of were family members of servicemen. Of 4 million about a million succeeded in escaping further east. The remaining three million were left at the mercy of the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_Russia#World_War_II

Thanks for the link.
I think there's a little more to the story than you know.

Here is a link to a paper by Prof. Tomasz Strzembosz.
He was a Polish historian and writer who specialized in the history of Poland during World War II. He was a professor at the Polish Academy of Sciences' Institute of Political Studies in Warsaw; and, at the John Paul II Catholic University of Lublin.

http://www.naszawitryna.pl/jedwabne_en_1.html

Strzembosz indicates that there was extensive collaboration between the Red Army and the Jews.

Here is more on Strzembosz at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomasz_Strzembosz

 

[Thunder]

An additional 138,000 ethnic Poles and 198,000 Jews fled the German occupied zone and became refugees in the Soviet occupied region[10]

During 1939–1941 1.450 million of the people inhabiting the region were deported by the Soviet regime, of whom 63.1% were Poles, and 7.4% were Jews.[10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_areas_annexed_by_the_Soviet_Union

 

[Thunder]

Strzembosz indicates that there was extensive collaboration between the Red Army and the Jews.

derail and refusal to face evidence presented to you, noted.

perhaps you should not request evidence if you know you are going to quickly and blatantly disregard it.

 

[Shrike]

Oh Revdude.
If the subject wasn't so serious, this would be my response:

 

[dafydd]

Thanks for the link.
I think there's a little more to the story than you know.

Here is a link to a paper by Prof. Tomasz Strzembosz.
He was a Polish historian and writer who specialized in the history of Poland during World War II. He was a professor at the Polish Academy of Sciences' Institute of Political Studies in Warsaw; and, at the John Paul II Catholic University of Lublin.

http://www.naszawitryna.pl/jedwabne_en_1.html

Strzembosz indicates that there was extensive collaboration between the Red Army and the Jews.

Here is more on Strzembosz at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomasz_Strzembosz

You might as well stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la la la la la.....

 

[dafydd]

derail and refusal to face evidence presented to you, noted.

perhaps you should not request evidence if you know you are going to quickly and blatantly disregard it.

If he took any notice of evidence he would have to admit the Holocaust.

 

[sadhatter]

The holes.....shifted?!?
That is how Provan explains their not being there?
And you are actually gonna sit there and agree with him?
I can't believe that you guys are THAT desperate to maintain the myth.

Listen to yourself....shifting holes?
OMG

I am going to explain this in a way you would understand.

First , go get your bong. Second, try not to smoke out of it for a few minutes.

Assuming it is glass, take out the bowl. Now go find an m80, or similar small explosive. Safely equip yourself with glasses, gloves etc, to avoid injury.

Now, assuming you followed the second step, you should be able to notice a hole in the bowl. Notice how this hole is in one spot. Attach the M80, light it, and get a safe distance away.

Now after the explosion, you will notice the hole is in a different spot, maybe across the room, maybe a few feet away.

Time and demolition tend to make things not be in their original positions.

 

[Revdude]

derail and refusal to face evidence presented to you, noted.

perhaps you should not request evidence if you know you are going to quickly and blatantly disregard it.

I thanked you for the links.
Then I offered a little more info that indicated that things were maybe a little more involved than you might already know complete with links as well.

And you a have problem with that, to the point that you insult me about it?

 

[Thunder]

If he took any notice of evidence he would have to admit the Holocaust.

indeed, as all evidence...especially in relation to population movements and numbers, clearly & without any doubt points to around 5.5 missing European Jews.

the Holocaust is a fact, and I have a deep suspision that most Holocaust-deniers are actually quite aware of this.

 

[Thunder]

And you a have problem with that, to the point that you insult me about it?

irony:

Originally Posted by Revdude
And still through all your ######### and nonsense over forty-some posts. Not one of you can challenge the evidence. What a clueless bunch you are.

See the real problem is that you know-it-alls are so used to talking your ######### that you have pat answers for everything. Now, confronted with an actual video that clearly disputes your gibberish, you can't handle it. Listen to yourselves on the thread. Whoever heard of such idiocy.

I'll sit on the side a while and watch you further convince everyone how utterly foolish you all are.