Merged The Zyklon Induction Columns at Auschwitz.

[ElMondoHummus]

Revdude's claim: The columns were made of concrete, not wire mesh.
Counter-claim: The concrete columns are roof support columns, that co-existed with the wire mesh Zyklon columns, and Holocaust deniers have deliberately confused the two types of columns.
Revdude's response: Yes, but the columns were made of concrete, not wire mesh.

I have no words with which to express the stupidity of this response. I would ask if all Holocaust deniers were similarly incapable of rudimentary comprehension, if I didn't already know the answer.

Dave

Dave, let me get this straight: The source used by our claimant here in this thread actually pointed out that there are two types of columns. Yet, our claimant is trying to say that this source proves there's only one. Have I got that right?

 

[Revdude]

irony:

Originally Posted by Revdude [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/qimg]
And still through all your ######### and nonsense over forty-some posts. Not one of you can challenge the evidence. What a clueless bunch you are.

See the real problem is that you know-it-alls are so used to talking your ######### that you have pat answers for everything. Now, confronted with an actual video that clearly disputes your gibberish, you can't handle it. Listen to yourselves on the thread. Whoever heard of such idiocy.

I'll sit on the side a while and watch you further convince everyone how utterly foolish you all are.

So after countless insults by you and your fellow believers, I respond in kind you get a little huffy.

The game is over.
Your holocaust is debunked.
What's the point of even discussing it anymore.

Here is the wartime aerial image of the Crematorium 2.
The gas chamber and it's four so-called gas inlet holes are quite apparent in the image.
http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/BallAirKremII_III.jpg
Of course I believe as do other revisionists, that these markings were merely drawn on to match the story.

Here is a modern-day image of the largely intact gas chamber roof.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Ruin_of_the_gas_chamber_of_Crematorium_II.jpg

There is nothing to indicate that there were ever any 27 1/2 inch square holes in this roof.
Not even a jagged straight edge

Game over.

 

[uke2se]

So after countless insults by you and your fellow believers, I respond in kind you get a little huffy.

No, he merely pointed out the irony of you insulting us and then complaining about our insults. Do you understand the word "irony"? You might want to look it up otherwise.

The game is over.
Your holocaust is I am debunked.

ftfy

What's the point of even discussing it anymore.

No point for you to discuss it at all. You don't know anything about it, so you'd do best to keep quiet and listen.

 

[Revdude]

No, he merely pointed out the irony of you insulting us and then complaining about our insults. Do you understand the word "irony"? You might want to look it up otherwise.



ftfy



No point for you to discuss it at all. You don't know anything about it, so you'd do best to keep quiet and listen.

Tell me, was your Holocaust written by the Brothers Grimm?
No, actually their fairy tales are far more believable.

I'm out of here, I'll let you and your brethren have the last word.

 

[uke2se]

Tell me, was your Holocaust written by the Brothers Grimm?

No, it was perpetrated by people you admire - the Nazis.

No, actually their fairy tales are far more believable.

It's indeed hard to imagine anyone being evil enough to perpetrate such an act as the holocaust, but your heroes did. Deal with it.

I'm out of here, I'll let you and your brethren have the last word.

Don't let reality hit you in the ass on your way out.

 

[dafydd]

Tell me, was your Holocaust written by the Brothers Grimm?
No, actually their fairy tales are far more believable.

I'm out of here, I'll let you and your brethren have the last word.

Your hero Hitler took the coward's way out too.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Dave, let me get this straight: The source used by our claimant here in this thread actually pointed out that there are two types of columns. Yet, our claimant is trying to say that this source proves there's only one. Have I got that right?

That was what he was trying to slip by us in the OP, even though his own source explained that it was a deliberate lie by Holocaust deniers. It seems that he's dropped that like a hot potato now, and is trying a different tack, even though he seemed to think it was the ultimate argument originally.

Funny, that.

Dave

 

[Cobalt]

No, this thread merely proves to what extreme believers will go to keep the myth alive.

You actually got this correct, but not in the way you intended.

 

[Thunder]

So after countless insults by you and your fellow believers, I respond in kind you get a little huffy.

The game is over.
Your holocaust is debunked.
What's the point of even discussing it anymore.

you asked for evidence for my easily provable claim that a small minority of Polish Jews were evacuated to the USSR, and most of them came under Nazi occupation after 1941.

I gave you the evidence. You then derail the discussion to a topic having NOTHING to do with Jews being evacuated to the East.

dude...help us help you.

and yes, there is no point discussing anything with anyone who is not willing to even acknowledge the possibility of evidence that counters his pre-conceived notions of history...especially if they quite rudely derail the conversation when they are faced with evidence and are backed into a corner by facts.

 

[dafydd]

you asked for evidence for my easily provable claim that a small minority of Polish Jews were evacuated to the USSR, and most of them came under Nazi occupation after 1941.

I gave you the evidence. You then derail the discussion to a topic having NOTHING to do with Jews being evacuated to the East.

dude...help us help you.

and yes, there is no point discussing anything with anyone who is not willing to even acknowledge the possibility of evidence that counters his pre-conceived notions of history...especially if they quite rudely derail the conversation when they are faced with evidence and are backed into a corner by facts.

Facts,the bane of the Holocaust denier. No wonder Revdude has turned yellow.

 

[Dogzilla]

Revdude's claim: The columns were made of concrete, not wire mesh.
Counter-claim: The concrete columns are roof support columns, that co-existed with the wire mesh Zyklon columns, and Holocaust deniers have deliberately confused the two types of columns.
Revdude's response: Yes, but the columns were made of concrete, not wire mesh.

I have no words with which to express the stupidity of this response. I would ask if all Holocaust deniers were similarly incapable of rudimentary comprehension, if I didn't already know the answer.

Dave

Dave does have a point here, Revdude. The "wire mesh" columns did not support the roof. They were attached to the concrete columns which supported the roof (IIRC). They were installed after the Auschwitz officials had cured natural death and didn't need a morgue anymore. They turned the now obsolete morgue into a gas chamber by busting a hole through the concrete roof next to the support columns. Then they installed the wire mesh Zyklon B induction columns by attaching them to the support columns and running them up through the hole in the roof. As the Russians were closing in on Auschwitz, the Nazis thought they could cover up their crimes by removing the wire mesh columns and filling in the holes in the roof. Since there's no record of these modifications on the blueprints, the wire mesh columns have never been found, and there's no trace of holes in the roof of the gas chamber today, the Nazis almost got away with it. Thank Dog absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence!

 

[Dogzilla]

Why do you hate Jews?

Why do you hate Germans?

 

[Thunder]

Thank Dog absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence!

actually, absence of evidence means there is no evidence.

honest people go by evidence. other folks follow suspicion, speculation, guesses, assumptions, and other less than mature means to support pre-conceived notions of truth.

 

[Dogzilla]

Revdude- so if there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, where are the 1.5 million Jews who were sent there?

where did they go?

They're traveling around the United States telling schoolchildren about eating diamonds they dug out of their feces and buying soap made from the bodies of dead Jews six months after the war ended.

 

[Thunder]

Why do you hate Germans?

cute

 

[Thunder]

They're traveling around the United States telling schoolchildren about eating diamonds they dug out of their feces and buying soap made from the bodies of dead Jews six months after the war ended.

got any evidence for this theory?

5.5 million European Jews were secretly ferried to the USA, and are now running around the states telling schoolkids about their poo?

looks like you given up on discussing this issue maturely.

 

[fuelair]

This should finally seal the fate of the claims of gassing at Auschwitz.
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Here is an article by Mr. Jamie McCarthy of the Holocaust History Project describing the Zyklon Induction Columns at Auschwitz Birkenau in the gas chambers of crematoria II and III.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/intro-columns/

He even provides a very descriptive diagram of these columns and cites these sources for his essay.
Sources: Gutman, Yisrael, and Michael Berenbaum, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994; Pressac, Jean-Claude, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York, 1989.

Very compelling evidence supported by many mainstream historians.

Now we will actually go to the Auschwitz Birkenau crematorium 2 and its alleged gas chamber with revisionist David McCalden, and we will see first hand with our own eyes exactly what the real columns look like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CaPIHJvm2I&feature=related

While the crematorium and alleged gas chamber are mostly destroyed, remnants of the columns still stand.
There are no dodges, coded words, or any way around the truth.
The columns are very obviously solid concrete reinforced with re-bar.

Haven't been around here much, have you. Really poor attempt at humor this - and I am doing you the courtesy of assuming it is a poor joke rather than something you actually are trying to pass off as real/meaningful/accurate/ verified by a real person (like the earlier writers with what we like to call, credentials and what we like to call expertise) rather than simply the wallowing of ex-nazis/nazi symps.

 

[Biscuit]

Here is the wartime aerial image of the Crematorium 2.
The gas chamber and it's four so-called gas inlet holes are quite apparent in the image.
http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/BallAirKremII_III.jpg
Of course I believe as do other revisionists, that these markings were merely drawn on to match the story.

Something you believe despite that fact that you have zero evidence for it. Good to see you refuse to deviate from the irrational. In order to believe the holocaust never happened you have to make stuff up.

Here is a modern-day image of the largely intact gas chamber roof.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Ruin_of_the_gas_chamber_of_Crematorium_II.jpg

Really? Largely intact? Its not even a roof anymore! It is, at best, a highly uneven floor segmented, chipped, cracked, broken, weather worn, and built in a rough ditch on top of rubble. Largely intact my fanny.

 

[Dogzilla]

Ah, I see. So you're abandoning the argument you put forward in the OP, presumably because you can see it's utterly stupid, and putting forward the familiar "no holes, no Holocaust" one, right? Despite the fact that Charles Provan found the holes over ten years ago, shifted from their original positions by the demolition?

Dave

What do you mean by "shifted from their original position?" The holes shifted from their original position on the roof in the absolute sense because blowing up the building shifted the whole roof. Or did the holes shift their relative position on the roof due to the explosion?

 

[uke2se]

The holes shifted from their original position on the roof in the absolute sense because blowing up the building shifted the whole roof.

He means this. Revdude was having tremendous troubles getting to grips with it.