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Merged The Zyklon Induction Columns at Auschwitz.

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Revdude said:
Oh....and as for your 5.3 million missing Jews.
You can surely prove they were there to begin with, right?
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Yes, it has been proven using documents from the perpetrators (Nazi Germany) as well as censuses taken before and after the war. If you want to learn how the figure was arrived at, take a course on the history of the holocaust, or speak to Dr Nick Terry who frequents this forum.

Now, knowing that there are indeed around 5.3 million missing Jews and close to double that missing Gypsies, homosexuals, Jehova's Witnesses and others, is your contention that all these people are living incognito in the remnants of the Soviet Union?
 
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Dave Rogers said:
If someone with a stronger stomach and more time on their hands has watched McCalden's video right through, can they tell me whether this statement relates to that video or to something else?

Dave
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Why sure Mr. Rogers, I'll come back to your neighborhood for a moment.

The holes referred to match the size that Michal Kula stated were the dimensions of the wire mesh columns that extended through the roof. Jamie McCarthy's article and accompanying drawing stated the same dimensions and this is also agreed to by Jean Claude Pressac.
So for the Believer story to be true. The video should show the remnant of four square holes around what you guys are claiming is the support pillar. These holes should be at least 70cm square (27.55 inches).

There are no holes.
 
Revdude said:
Why sure Mr. Rogers, I'll come back to your neighborhood for a moment.

The holes referred to match the size that Michal Kula stated were the dimensions of the wire mesh columns that extended through the roof. Jamie McCarthy's article and accompanying drawing stated the same dimensions and this is also agreed to by Jean Claude Pressac.
So for the Believer story to be true. The video should show the remnant of four square holes around what you guys are claiming is the support pillar. These holes should be at least 70cm square (27.55 inches).

There are no holes.
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Except of course that the Kremas were explosively demolished, causing all kinds of damage to the structure, as well as causing the roof to shift significantly. The holes are there. McCalden is just too stupid and too biased to find them.
 
Revdude said:
Why sure Mr. Rogers, I'll come back to your neighborhood for a moment.

The holes referred to match the size that Michal Kula stated were the dimensions of the wire mesh columns that extended through the roof. Jamie McCarthy's article and accompanying drawing stated the same dimensions and this is also agreed to by Jean Claude Pressac.
So for the Believer story to be true. The video should show the remnant of four square holes around what you guys are claiming is the support pillar. These holes should be at least 70cm square (27.55 inches).

There are no holes.
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Ah, I see. So you're abandoning the argument you put forward in the OP, presumably because you can see it's utterly stupid, and putting forward the familiar "no holes, no Holocaust" one, right? Despite the fact that Charles Provan found the holes over ten years ago, shifted from their original positions by the demolition?

Dave
 
uke2se said:
Yes, it has been proven using documents from the perpetrators (Nazi Germany) as well as censuses taken before and after the war. If you want to learn how the figure was arrived at, take a course on the history of the holocaust, or speak to Dr Nick Terry who frequents this forum.
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I thought as much.
Unverifiable sources.
As for your Dr. Terry, he has enough problems to contend with.
http://hateblogwatch.yuku.com/topic/227/Cowardly-Exeter-University-lecturer-shows-hatred--hypocrisy
http://holocaustcatastrophe.blogspot.com/
 
Dave Rogers said:
I have no words with which to express the stupidity of this response. I would ask if all Holocaust deniers were similarly incapable of rudimentary comprehension, if I didn't already know the answer.
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The words I normally reserve for denier foot-bullets like this one are 'apocalyptically stupid'.
 
Revdude said:
I thought as much.
Unverifiable sources.
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Unverifiable? No, they aren't unverifiable, unless of course you believe all scholarly evidence can only exist in digital form, linkable on the internet. As I said, take a course. Of course, that would entail you exiting your mom's basement, but I'm sure you can find an online college.

Revdude said:
As for your Dr. Terry, he has enough problems to contend with.
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I wouldn't call that problems. Neo-nazis impotently gunning for him only shows that he's doing a good job.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Ah, I see. So you're abandoning the argument you put forward in the OP, presumably because you can see it's utterly stupid, and putting forward the familiar "no holes, no Holocaust" one, right? Despite the fact that Charles Provan found the holes over ten years ago, shifted from their original positions by the demolition?

Dave
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The holes.....shifted?!?
That is how Provan explains their not being there?
And you are actually gonna sit there and agree with him?
I can't believe that you guys are THAT desperate to maintain the myth.

Listen to yourself....shifting holes?
OMG
 
Revdude said:
In any case, there simply is not any holes in the roof to support these claims.
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So you can show us the solid hole-free roof? Let's see it.

C'mon guys.
Let's move on
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But dude, we have moved on. Our fathers and grandfathers spent their blood and treasure to destroy the Nazis' military power, and exposed the corruption, insanity, and life-wasting futility of the fascist regimes. So today we don't have to pay much attention to Nazis at all, except when we want to use them as villains in movies and video games because no one objects to images and game play depicting their arbitrary slaughter (and sometimes zombies, demons, or killer robots just won't do).

The only thing we still have to worry about with Nazis is people lying and sabotaging the historical record to make them seem okay. "C'mon guys let's have Nazis again." We have to worry about that because there's a danger (however miniscule) of their evil ideology gaining power and then we'd have to go kill them again like our fathers and grandfathers had to do, and that would hardly be moving on, would it?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Revdude said:
The holes.....shifted?!?
That is how Provan explains their not being there?
And you are actually gonna sit there and agree with him?
I can't believe that you guys are THAT desperate to maintain the myth.

Listen to yourself....shifting holes?
OMG
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While it's understandable that a denier has trouble dealing with reality, this is simply astounding. You have trouble understanding how holes can shift? Let's see if a demonstration will aid your troubled mind:

I have a plank. I drill two holes in the plank. I put the plank on top of a box. I blow up the box with dynamite. Are the holes in the plank in the same exact location as before? Relative to the plank, yes (unless the plank is broken) but not relative to the box. The holes have shifted.

Do you understand or should I draw you a picture?
 
Revdude said:
The holes.....shifted?!?
That is how Provan explains their not being there?
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The building was blown up. If things didn't move when they were blown up, it wouldn't be a very effective way to demolish them, would it? Provan found the holes, just not where his erstwhile fellow deniers were looking for them.

Dave
 
Myriad said:
So you can show us the solid hole-free roof? Let's see it.




But dude, we have moved on. Our fathers and grandfathers spent their blood and treasure to destroy the Nazis' military power, and exposed the corruption, insanity, and life-wasting futility of the fascist regimes. So today we don't have to pay much attention to Nazis at all, except when we want to use them as villains in movies and video games because no one objects to images and game play depicting their arbitrary slaughter (and sometimes zombies, demons, or killer robots just won't do).

The only thing we still have to worry about with Nazis is people lying and sabotaging the historical record to make them seem okay. "C'mon guys let's have Nazis again." We have to worry about that because there's a danger (however miniscule) of their evil ideology gaining power and then we'd have to go kill them again like our fathers and grandfathers had to do, and that would hardly be moving on, would it?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Did you watch the video?
Actually, Part 7 and Part 9 in the series are quite informative as well.
One of the guys actually crawls inside the collapsed chamber.

What your fathers and grandfather's really did was participate in the enabling of the Soviet Union to take over much of Europe at the cost of millions of lives. Was it planned by FDR, Churchill and Stalin? maybe, but in the end while Hitler begged for help in fighting the USSR, Britain and America opened the door for what was to become nearly fifty yeas of indentured servitude for Poland and much of the rest of Europe.

I had family members just as complicit so I am not excusing myself from this either.
 
Revdude said:
As for your Dr. Terry, he has enough problems to contend with.
http://hateblogwatch.yuku.com/topic/227/Cowardly-Exeter-University-lecturer-shows-hatred--hypocrisy
http://holocaustcatastrophe.blogspot.com/
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On the contrary, all those links indicate is that there is a psychopath on the internet who has taken it into his deranged head to smear myself and others without presenting a shred of evidence for his insinuations.

That you swallow this hogwash simply exposes you as a very gullible individual who will believe anything they want to hear if it suits your partisan needs.

But hey, your gullibility on this issue is left gasping in the dust by the blithering idiocy of your OP.
 
Dave Rogers said:
The building was blown up. If things didn't move when they were blown up, it wouldn't be a very effective way to demolish them, would it? Provan found the holes, just not where his erstwhile fellow deniers were looking for them.

Dave
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Watch the video!
McCalden is standing on the very roof we are discussing!
It collapsed, it was not "blown up".
The holes according to your fellow believers were almost 2 1/2 feet square.
They would be readily visible.
Why are you afraid to admit the truth?

You have come to the point where you are defending utter nonsense.
 
Nick Terry said:
On the contrary, all those links indicate is that there is a psychopath on the internet who has taken it into his deranged head to smear myself and others without presenting a shred of evidence for his insinuations.

That you swallow this hogwash simply exposes you as a very gullible individual who will believe anything they want to hear if it suits your partisan needs.

But hey, your gullibility on this issue is left gasping in the dust by the blithering idiocy of your OP.
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I did not say I agreed with anything.
I merely stated that you had enough problems to contend with.

As for the columns, perhaps you can explain the obvious disparity of the claim and counter claim.

Oh, and please don't say the holes moved.
 
Revdude said:
What your fathers and grandfather's really did was participate in the enabling of the Soviet Union to take over much of Europe at the cost of millions of lives.

Was it planned by FDR, Churchill and Stalin? maybe, but in the end while Hitler begged for help in fighting the USSR, Britain and America opened the door for what was to become nearly fifty yeas of indentured servitude for Poland and much of the rest of Europe.
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Interesting take on history. What really happened was that Nazi Germany, allied with the Soviet Union, took over large parts of Europe. Then Hitler backstabbed Stalin and invaded the Soviet Union, forcing them onto the same side as those already fighting Hitler. Hitler then made a huge blunder and declared war on the US, sealing the doom of his decrepit regime.

Revdude said:
I had family members just as complicit so I am not excusing myself from this either.
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There's nothing to excuse yourself from. Be proud. Your family members did a great thing. Too bad you go on to sully their memory by lying on the internet.
 
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