portlandatheist
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Well said Mark.
Any 'pro-Palestinian' atheists here?
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Well said Mark.
portlandatheist
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Your opportunity to explain what you mean by Israelis should be held to a higher standard than Palestinians.
No chance. He knows it's an indefensible moral position, so he'll just avoid answering.
Then again, if you want to see his double standard in action, check out my signature. And, before you ask, the answer is, sadly, no: he isn't being sarcastic.
Apparently losing one's family and being herded into a ghetto on starvation rations as a precondition for easier extermination don't count as being "personally wronged" when the person involved is a Jew, while, on the other hand, burning a book in protest is an intolerable act that hurts every Muslim in the world so much it makes it justifiable to kill the guy.
Aren't y'all glad Parky holds some people "to a higher standard"?
Then again, if you want to see his double standard in action, check out my signature. And, before you ask, the answer is, sadly, no: he isn't being sarcastic.
Apparently losing one's family and being herded into a ghetto on starvation rations as a precondition for easier extermination don't count as being "personally wronged" when the person involved is a Jew, while, on the other hand, burning a book in protest is an intolerable act that hurts every Muslim in the world so much it makes it justifiable to kill the guy.
Aren't y'all glad Parky holds some people "to a higher standard"?
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tyr_13
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I'll happily forth that.
I am proud to expect more from Americans, Canadians, Brits, Germans, Australians, than I do from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad. We are better than them..and they are war-criminal scumbags.
...and I LOVE being the perpetual topic of your posts. Does great things for my ego.
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I, too, am proud to expect from White people more than I expect from the dark-skinned Muslim savages. We just can't judge them by the same standard of decent behavior -- like, you know, expecting them not to join Hamas or Al Quaeda.
Besides, since when do you have a problem with Hamas? You keep defending it on this forum.
If that were true you wouldn't keep whining to the mods about it, now would you?
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Virus
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I am proud to expect more from Americans, Canadians, Brits, Germans, Australians, than I do from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad. We are better than them..and they are war-criminal scumbags.
...and I LOVE being the perpetual topic of your posts. Does great things for my ego.
Expectations and standards aren't the same thing.
davefoc
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This post was a tad disappointing. I thought the topic was interesting on a few levels and didn't immediately realize that it was just another thread started by an Israeli partisan as an excuse to bash Palestinians and prove in his mind the righteousness of Israel's policies with regard to their actions against the Palestinians.
On what I thought the topic was:
I did not expect that the Palestinians would be this stringently opposed to free speech with regard to Islam. I had seen Palestinians as somewhat more secular than other Islamic cultures and thought that some openness about the expression of anti-Islamic views would have been tolerated. In that, it appears I was wrong. Still, I can also appreciate what a tough spot this kind of thing can put a government in. When any particular religious group dominates a culture there is often a tendency for that religious group to demand government enforcement of their ideas on morality especially with regard to showing respect for their god(s) and any government of Palestine is going to do a certain amount of kowtowing to the religious segments of the country (not completely unlike the kowtowing to religious groups necessary for an American or Israeli government).
The topic was also interesting to me also because it goes to one of the things that I have been curious about with regard to myself. I have no conscious memory of religious belief and for a good part of my life I have been aware of religiously based persecution of non-believers in some cultures. How would I have made out in those cultures? Would I have remained completely silent? For most of my life I followed a course something like that, out of respect for the people who were believers and because for most of my life I had assumed that most people were closet atheists and there wasn't much to talk about but not out of fear of reprisal. Would I have had some need to lead a charge against what I saw as religious nutjobs? Would I have sought out other similar minded people and become part of a movement to end religious government or would I have just kept my mouth shut and tried to go on with my life. I don't know, but I think I could easily have been the guy in the internet cafe secretly blasting away about what a load of crap religion was and similar behavior might easily have led to my premature death if I had lived in Europe during the various times when religious nutjobs were in charge.
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a_unique_person
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It's more a case of the State of Israel claims to hold itself to a higher standard, but don't do so.
And Palestinians attacking atheists is abhorrent.
yikes. never mind the fact that many Israelis are dark skinned Middle-Easterners, where do you come up with such stuff?
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Says the man who is "proud" to use a double standard -- one for Jews, one for Arabs, with expectations from the Arabs being abyssimally lower.
That's where I "come up with such stuff". You think Arabs are subhuman, I am more inclusive: I think it's more a matter of skin color than nationality or ethnic origin.
Of course, another slight difference between us is that I am being sarcastic: I don't actually believe what I just wrote about dark-skinned people, I am merely using it to show why your view is as racist as my view would have been if it were meant seriously.
But what is your excuse?
err....no I don't. I'm not sure where you get this stuff, but its almost always a lie.
MarkCorrigan
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Then why don't you hold them to the same standards as the Israelis?
Do you or do you not think the Israelis are or at least should be better people?
a_unique_person
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The state of Israel itself is claiming it meets those standards.
The Israelis claim to be a Western-style democracy, and have shared values with the USA, Britain, Canada, etc etc. Therefore, I follow their logic to a T, and hold them to the same standard I would my own country.
If the Israelis want to be held to the same standard as the Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrians, Saudis, etc..then they have to stop with the farse of claiming to be a Western-style democracy with shared values with the USA. And they have to stop demanding that the West support them OVER the Arabs, because of these supposed shared values.
Once Israel stops demanding a double-standard and a higher standard, I shall stop applying one.
Its very simple: Don't ask for a double-standard when you don't truly want one.
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err.....how is this response at all within the context of my post?
Israel demands and desires a double-standard and a higher standard. so that's what they get.
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This is about your different standards Thunder. You clearly don't think Arabs deserve the same human rights as Israelis, why is that? Are they less human in your eyes?
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