Mel Gibson 's racist rant

[Checkmite]

After skimming the first page of this thread, what disgusts me the most is the idea that you all feel so passionately about the personal problems of two people you don't even know. Here you are, judging them on issues you know absolutely nothing about.

Yes, I'm sure we're all just misunderstanding Mel's vile, racist verbal diarrhea.

None of our business? Certainly. But that's pretty moot; it's out there now, the bell can't be unrang, and that it was none of our business doesn't mean we can't draw a conclusion about the man who said those things. When somebody says something like "you're going to get raped by a pack of *******" to somebody because of the way they're dressed, I'm perfectly within my rights to judge him based on that data. I'm a person, not a courtroom; true and accurate information isn't made inadmissible to my judgment because of some technicality.

 

[Mycroft]

At the sub-chapter "Race and Ethniticity":



So, the total figure of self-identifying white people is 228,2 million. Indeed, I had missed that distinction was already made, so my calculations subsequently dropped 10 million out of it.
If we are to use the figure of 75% of US americans being white in the broad sense (not 85%), half of which are probably female, and then we get 37,5% white females in the US. So the shifting percentage is negligible here, since we're looking still looking at a rate of 'white' female rape victims that is about twice their representative proportion. Clearly they are not "underrepresented". Wether we include self-identifying white hispanics or not, it doesn't appear to change this noticably.

Well, twice their representation in the overall population, but that's only because rapes happen overwhelmingly to women and not men. You don't compare them to the overall population, you only compare them to the female part of other ethnic groups.

 

[quarky]

Good thing I'm on ignore.

I need to go n record here:

I've never done the "rape groove thing".

I used something perhaps more insidious:

I was lovable.

Therefore, hearts were broken, including mine.

This is the sex thread, right?

 

[blobru]

Putting people on ignore is really just playing hard to get. It's the sort of behavior that, according to the director of Apocalypto, will get you raped by seven apostrophes. Mel knows you want it, and he's coming over to burn your house down, in both senses...

Whoops, sorry -- this isn't the sex thread, is it? (Mel, leave those box turtles alone -- Mel!)

 

[Puppycow]

I can't wait for Danny Glover's comments. on this.
It is incredible the way the Gibson fanboys still try to portray Mel as a victim of the Media.
I have no doubt Oksana is more then a little bit of a Goldigger, but whether she leaked the tape or not does not change Gibson's disgusting rant.

This made me remember that old movie with them, one of the Lethal Weapon movies where the bad guys were racist white South Africans.

Kind of ironic, isn't it?

 

[ZirconBlue]

Is there an acceptable level of ignorance? I seem to remember a thread full of Helen Keller jokes. I don't know if you actually partook so I am not directing this at you, personally; cruel jokes about a severely disabled person = funny but racial slurs = unacceptable.

I think you'll find that I did not partake in that discussion. Regardless "jokes" =/= "threats".

Okay, it's possible she was messing around with a married man because he was charming or something but she was still messing around with a married man.

Yeah. It's not like this Mel Gibson fellow was considered "charming" or "handsome". It absolutely must be for the money.

 

[Fiona]

At the sub-chapter "Race and Ethniticity":



So, the total figure of self-identifying white people is 228,2 million. Indeed, I had missed that distinction was already made, so my calculations subsequently dropped 10 million out of it.
If we are to use the figure of 75% of US americans being white in the broad sense (not 85%), half of which are probably female, and then we get 37,5% white females in the US. So the shifting percentage is negligible here, since we're looking still looking at a rate of 'white' female rape victims that is about twice their representative proportion. Clearly they are not "underrepresented". Wether we include self-identifying white hispanics or not, it doesn't appear to change this noticably.

You are still excluding the hispanics who identify as white, but since your point now seems to be that women are overrepresented in rape statistics I have no quarrel with that at all. I can't see it is a point worth making, but never mind

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I need to go n record here:

I've never done the "rape groove thing".

I used something perhaps more insidious:

I was lovable.

Therefore, hearts were broken, including mine.

This is the sex thread, right?

Pervert!

 

[quarky]

Putting people on ignore is really just playing hard to get. It's the sort of behavior that, according to the director of Apocalypto, will get you raped by seven apostrophes. Mel knows you want it, and he's coming over to burn your house down, in both senses...

Whoops, sorry -- this isn't the sex thread, is it? (Mel, leave those box turtles alone -- Mel!)

That caps it.

I'm putting you on double secret ignore.

 

[Lurker]

You are still excluding the hispanics who identify as white, but since your point now seems to be that women are overrepresented in rape statistics I have no quarrel with that at all. I can't see it is a point worth making, but never mind

Fiona,

I quibble here with this conversation you were having. The original claim to which you responded was :

That is true. But as I said, he might just think it makes it sound more gruesome in the context of their city where you'd be at much higher risk being a white girl in such surroundings.

You then went on to post statistics about rape and race. Sorry, nothing that you posted was all that relevent to what you were responding to. You totally ignored this part which your statistics did not account for.

...being a white girl in such surroundings.

See, you failed to account in any way for the surroundings, or the specifics of the situation that Jono had set up and instead tried to apply general statistics on rape.

 

[Jono]

You are still excluding the hispanics who identify as white, but since your point now seems to be that women are overrepresented in rape statistics I have no quarrel with that at all. I can't see it is a point worth making, but never mind

First of all, I didn't exclude the self-identifying hispanics who identify as white, according to the wiki demographics under "White alone" (which includes white hispanics and latinos) they are 75%, not 85%.

And my point to that was that white women aren't underrepresented as rape victims, which you claimed earlier.

 

[Jono]

See, you failed to account in any way for the surroundings, or the specifics of the situation that Jono had set up and instead tried to apply general statistics on rape.

Yes, I did state that a white girl would be more at risk of rape in LA in such surroundings, where white "non-latinos" are a minority (they constitute about 1/3rd) and, comparetively, rape and violent crimes in generel occur at peaking rates (I believe 1/10 rape occurs in Los Angeles). And from that, which I'm sure Mel inherently believes like most/many non-black people, it's almost pop-cultural to perpetuate the notion that black people in particular are more likely to committ an act of physical violence toward a white man, which is only generally true if you specifiy what you state; that the former are more likely in comparison to committ such acts against white people than white people are vice versa. I think rape/sexual assault it fluctates around 50-100 times more likely.

 

[Jono]

Well, twice their representation in the overall population, but that's only because rapes happen overwhelmingly to women and not men. You don't compare them to the overall population, you only compare them to the female part of other ethnic groups.

Right. Well going by -06 statistics, about 8,5% of all (194,000/228,200,000) white people were raped, 4,5 of afro-americans (18,000/37,600,000) were raped that year. And if about 90%, using Fiona's figure, of all rape victims were female, we'd have 7,6% of all raped white americans being female and 4,3% of all raped afro-americans were female.

 

[Fiona]

First of all, I didn't exclude the self-identifying hispanics who identify as white, according to the wiki demographics under "White alone" (which includes white hispanics and latinos) they are 75%, not 85%.

It specifically states it does not. Nor was your figure for the total population correct. I really don't know what else to say.

ETA: No you are quite correct: I misunderstood that. My apologies

 

[Fiona]

Fiona,


See, you failed to account in any way for the surroundings, or the specifics of the situation that Jono had set up and instead tried to apply general statistics on rape.

Fair enough. Perhaps there is something special about the surroundings that I did not grasp. What is it?

 

[Architect]

Right. Well going by -06 statistics, about 8,5% of all (194,000/228,200,000) white people were raped, 4,5 of afro-americans (18,000/37,600,000) were raped that year. And if about 90%, using Fiona's figure, of all rape victims were female, we'd have 7,6% of all raped white americans being female and 4,3% of all raped afro-americans were female.

Your % rates seem to be out by several orders of magintude. By my reckoning, for example. 194,000/228,200,000 is actually 0.085%.

 

[Fiona]

Right. Well going by -06 statistics, about 8,5% of all (194,000/228,200,000) white people were raped, 4,5 of afro-americans (18,000/37,600,000) were raped that year. And if about 90%, using Fiona's figure, of all rape victims were female, we'd have 7,6% of all raped white americans being female and 4,3% of all raped afro-americans were female.

Where does this come from?

The US department of Justice reports the total number of forcible rapes in 2006 as 92757.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_07.html

Nationmaster gives the latest figure (not sure what year that is) as 95136

ETA: clearly not the latest figure: seems to refer to 2002: that fits with the general decline reported elsewhere

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us-united-states/cri-crime

Rape figures are notoriously unreliable but this is a far cry from the 212000 you seem to be citing. Am I misunderstanding you?

 

[dudalb]

I note that instead of out and out denial, Gibson's PR person is using the "unable to comment about the tapes at this time" routine.
I say within a week the tapes will be all over the Internet, and it will not look good for Mel.
And I refuse to takes sides in this because they both come off as pretty scummy. I feel sorry for the kid with parents like that, though.

 

[Lucian]

RadarOnline has a new report claiming that Gibson admitted hitting Grigorieva (and that she "*********** deserved it"). They also say that it wasn't she who leaked the tapes to them.

 

[dudalb]

RadarOnline has a new report claiming that Gibson admitted hitting Grigorieva (and that she "*********** deserved it"). They also say that it wasn't she who leaked the tapes to them.

If the hitting is true then I have to say that Gibson is by far the biggest A Hole of the two.
Sad that in real life William Wallace turns out to be more Like Longshanks.