Mel Gibson 's racist rant

If I were getting death threats, I'd be taping the conversation, too, particularly if I'd already gotten smacked around.

This assclown has just demonstrated why he doesn't deserve any respect. Forget her, think about this: You are responsible for your own behavior. And this is how he acts in a high stress situation? News flash: Raising children is an even higher stress situation.

See ya, Mel.
 
I'm not saying she's a golddigger, but she ain't messing with no broke bloke. (cracked maybe).
 
So, um anyone want to jump on mel's side still , with the new tirade out there? Anyone still think he is the victim in this?

Or can we all agree his is a racist violent knob that has a sense of entitlement because of his fame?
 
Holy ***! A bat to the head!


No wonder she was taping the conversations.

Momma might not be so great but at least she's not a psychopath.
 
sadhatter said:
So, um anyone want to jump on mel's side still , with the new tirade out there? Anyone still think he is the victim in this?

Or can we all agree his is a racist violent knob that has a sense of entitlement because of his fame?
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Well it could be that that drove him to gain fame. :)
 
Am I to understand this thread is about things two hot headed, divorcing, ex-lovers said to one another over what each might reasonably have expected to be a private phone ?
 
grunion said:
Wow, this conversation is really beyond sanity. A violent misogynist rant that just goes on and on past the point where most insane people would have stopped.
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Well, that tears it. I didn't listen to the audio because I don't like torture, but the transcript of key passages provided in that article amount to Mel Gibson openly admitting assault and battery on his wife while she was holding their infant daughter in her hands.

Never mind his "racist rant"; he knocked out his wife's front teeth, endangered his own baby in doing so, threatened to kill and bury his wife "in a rose garden", threatened to hit her with a bat, threatened to burn down her (and his) house.

Never mind his Oscars and his hugely successful bloody Jesus movie. His career is over.
 
applecorped said:
I'm not saying she's a golddigger, but she ain't messing with no broke bloke. (cracked maybe).
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Oh, Oksana is a golddigger, all right. But that does not excuse assault and death threats...except in Mel's world, and the world of 16 year old males with an overdose of macho, who seem to be the most militant in supporting Mel on the Internet.
It possible to have a low opinion of Oksana (I do) but still think that Gibson is a total psycho who needs help, fast.
 
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Soapy Sam said:
Am I to understand this thread is about things two hot headed, divorcing, ex-lovers said to one another over what each might reasonably have expected to be a private phone ?
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No actually, it is about an admittedly violent toward women racist, who was finally caught admitting to beating the crap out of his wife, and uttering very clear death threats.

How else would she possibly have proven to anyone that he was saying these things ( not to mention beating the hell out of her.) without recording them?

He thought no one was looking is not a valid excuse for his violent actions, or his threats. Screw the racisim, the man admitted clearly that he beat the crap out of her. And threatened, clearly to kill her, going as far as to state that he is capable of it.

If you put her not telling him he was recorded , even in the same ballpark, heck even in the same sport, as him beating her and threatening to kill her , i don't really think the conversation can progress. The principal of clean hands comes into play here, if he was doing nothing illegal, just being a jerk i would side with you. Or if he was not outright admitting to illegal actions, again i would side with you. But this is the only way she could have proven these things were happening, of course one would only utter this type of crap in private, no one is going to willingly do something illegal on camera, or tape recording man.
 
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How else would she possibly have proven to anyone that he was saying these things ( not to mention beating the hell out of her.) without recording them?
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Especially when even with the proof of his threats available for everyone, some people still minimize it and dismiss her as a gold digger. (Was this part of her plot to get his money all along? Wow, she's devious.) How much worse would it be if she had nothing but her word?
 
dudalb said:
Oh, Oksana is a golddigger, all right. But that does not excuse assault and death threats...except in Mel's world, and the world of 16 year old males with an overdose of macho, who seem to be the most militant in supporting Mel on the Internet.
It possible to have a low opinion of Oksana (I do) but still think that Gibson is a total psycho who needs help, fast.
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She sucks, but if that gives one legal rights to beat and threaten then i am going to be taking a trip to sylvia browne's house in the near future.

Seriously if you could beat anyone that sucked hospitals would have lines out the door like a twilight premier. Nothing really, other than self defense ( or defense of someone else) excuses violence, Mel has no possible way to be defended at this point that has an ounce of logic behind it.
 
iknownothing said:
Especially when even with the proof of his threats available for everyone, some people still minimize it and dismiss her as a gold digger. (Was this part of her plot to get his money all along? Wow, she's devious.) How much worse would it be if she had nothing but her word?
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I mean what next, are we going to get a tape with Mel beating the crap out of her on it, that gets dismissed because mel didn't know there was a camera where he was doing it?

Maybe he will beat her in the courtroom, but he will still be the victim, because no one told him there was a camera there.

Bullies avoid doing things when authority is around, a very common piece of knowledge. To try and defend them by saying " she wasn't following the rules." is trolling at best, idol worship somewhere in the middle, and flat out support of violence against women at worst.
 
Yeah, my first wife used to record our arguments hoping to prove that I was some kind of abuser. She got some yelling -- boy, did we know how to yell at each other! -- but nothing incriminating.

I feel to this day that she was entirely within her rights to record me without my knowledge. If I had hit her or admitted to having hit her on tape, that would have been my fault, my error, and she could have used it to build a divorce case or prosecute me for assault.

But nothing like that ever happened, so all she was left with was some tapes of a couple yelling at each other. :rolleyes:

In this case, it's Gibson's fault, his error for admitting to past crimes (including child endangerment) and for making threats of death, violence and burial against his wife.
 
Vortigern99 said:
Yeah, my first wife used to record our arguments hoping to prove that I was some kind of abuser. She got some yelling -- boy, did we know how to yell at each other! -- but nothing incriminating.

I feel to this day that she was entirely within her rights to record me without my knowledge. If I had hit her or admitted to having hit her on tape, that would have been my fault, my error, and she could have used it to build a divorce case or prosecute me for assault.

But nothing like that ever happened, so all she was left with was some tapes of a couple yelling at each other. :rolleyes:

In this case, it's Gibson's fault, his error for admitting to past crimes (including child endangerment) and for making threats of death, violence and burial against his wife.
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And that is the thing, if this was just gibson being a jerk, so what. Some people suck. But it is evidence of a crime, plain and simple. Saying she is at fault for illegally tape recording him makes about as much sense as saying the police should be arrested for stealing people's drugs. Or someone should be arrested for theft if they take away an attackers knife and run.

I always hold with the theory, don't say anything you wouldn't want recorded. To me if your feeling bad about something you said being made known, you should have used better judgment and not said it.
 
As a bit of an addendum to my previous statement.

At one point i was on a forum, and i had suspected a person had faked their beliefs in order to get on the mod team, and screw around. Now i received several private messages that confirmed this. Now i let this person ramble on, and eventually posted the messages.

It was the same basic situation. A portion ( no where near a majority.) supported the fact that i had shown the evidence that the mod was simply abusing power. But a fairly large amount of people were angry that i had the audacity to post " private " content.

Privacy ends when someone is breaking rules ( in the case of a forum or website) or laws ( in the real world.). It is a fine line, but when there is no other way to prove someone is breaking a law, recording, or displaying information that they think is private becomes the only way to prove one's case.
 
I love the "it is Mel's Private Life and His Won Business" excuse. Since when was drunk driving (which is what Got Gibson in such trouble in the first place a couple of years ago) and assualt "private business"?
 
sadhatter said:
As a bit of an addendum to my previous statement.

At one point i was on a forum, and i had suspected a person had faked their beliefs in order to get on the mod team, and screw around. Now i received several private messages that confirmed this. Now i let this person ramble on, and eventually posted the messages.

It was the same basic situation. A portion ( no where near a majority.) supported the fact that i had shown the evidence that the mod was simply abusing power. But a fairly large amount of people were angry that i had the audacity to post " private " content.

Privacy ends when someone is breaking rules ( in the case of a forum or website) or laws ( in the real world.). It is a fine line, but when there is no other way to prove someone is breaking a law, recording, or displaying information that they think is private becomes the only way to prove one's case.
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I think this is due to the fact that you're posting on an internet forum, where the influence of the EFF and other civil liberties groups have been strongest. No one wants to look like a toady for Big Brother, so they err on the side of liberty. The problem is when people forget that one person's liberty ends where another's begins.
 
dudalb said:
I love the "it is Mel's Private Life and His Won Business" excuse. Since when was drunk driving (which is what Got Gibson in such trouble in the first place a couple of years ago) and assualt "private business"?
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Depends on where your from, in small towns ( like where i am) it is common still to think that anything between a man and a woman is their business alone. Regardless of illegality or harm being done.

And heck living in a city with one of he biggest drunk driving rates in canada ( i think we are still in the top 3.) some people honestly still think that cops are just being a-holes enforcing that law.

We are the friggen deep south of canada.
 
If you want to know why he's like that look up his family history and the secret is in his fathers 'history'
 
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