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Can Dimethyltryptamine DMT create Psychic Visions

Oh right. I must have missed that tasty little cherry tomato in amongst all the lettuce. My apologies. Where is DMT legal then?

No biggie.

I hate to make myself sound like some sketchy stoner but this guy (woddy) is starting to remind me of a casual aquantence i knew once....

The guy had always stated that pot did not effect him at all. Now from time to time someone would call him on this. He would smoke the pot, get screwed up, and be wrong.

As you are probably starting to think, the man knew that worst case scenario he would not get anything. Best case scenario he would get free pot and have to admit for a moment he was wrong.

It seems the same approach , woddy is trying to get a free trip out by claiming psychic visions. Worst case scenario he gets laughed at by the jrefers , best he gets to get high.

Now the problem he didn't expect is that, we are not curious. Unlike pot guy, we have no doubts dmt causes nothing but a trip out and due to this no one here ( or for that matter up the chain in the jref) is willing to give him a metaphorical joint ( talk to a scientific organization.) to see if he is bsing or not.
 
Sounds pretty feasible.

Perhaps he thinks his Brown Skinned Wife is amongst our number?
 
All I can say is, thank Dog I'm not brown-skinned. I was reading his site and was thinking only a stoner could, maybe, understand him.
 
All I can say is, thank Dog I'm not brown-skinned. I was reading his site and was thinking only a stoner could, maybe, understand him.

I was a stoner until very recently, still am at heart, and I struggled.
 
No one can speak for James but James.

James...Can DMT Create PSYCHIC VISIONS?

Where are you, please talk to me, that is why I came here, to talk with you. I respect you, I do, my mother was taken by a supposed psychic, I am against sham science and people exploiting poor people with superstition.

I want to find the truth, can you help test this?
Woddy, it may well be that Jimmy is not reading every single word of the thousands (millions?) posted on this blog every day. He just may not be listening to you.

I suggest that before you try to communicate, make sure the person you want to communicate with is listening, wants to communicate with you, etc.
 
It never changes. Nothing in any of the posts seem to even register in his consciousness.

There have been good discussions on what is needed even before beginning such a study.

There have been posts as to why James Randi isn't likely to even consider such a study (particularly since it isn't even a JREF challenge), and isn't likely to be following this thread.

It doesn't seem to register.

I don't know why he seems so enamored of Randi. Why Randi? Why not ask a university with a parapsychology department? You'd think they would be more likely to listen to him before he proves he has premonitions.
 
I am reading everyone's reply and I am being insulted for my spelling, I am being accused of being a druggie, and other things.
Your spelling and grammar are terrible, and you're the one who started the discussion about drug use. I'm not sure why you feel people pointing these things out are insults. Not sure what else you're seeing as insults, perhaps you could quote them so we can all decide?
Some people are saying Prove ESP is real first then we will do a study.
How is this not a reasonable point? How can we test if something causes psychic visions when you won't tell us what psychic visions are? Do we just give you a load of drugs and trust you to tell us what happens?
Mainly I feel as though people just want to argue, I wouldn't even call it debate.
Discussion? On a discussion forum? Madness!
Once again, and I can do this forever, I am very patient DOES DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS???
Once again: NO. There's no such thing as psychic visions, therefore DMT does not cause them anymore than it causes orange heffalumps to fart rainbows.
An atheist isn't just any person that calls themselves an Atheist's, (like you can't call your self a rocket scientist unless your a real rocket scientist). A true Atheist's is an extremely intelligent person that says they have proof of the non-existence of God. Atheist's read books, I highly respect many Atheist's.
What does atheism have to do with the matter?
Once again I am very patient DOES DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS???
Once again: NO.
Can James do a study???
Why on Earth would he?
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation. --HERBERT SPENCER
"You're talking a phenomenal amount of bollocks" ~ Me.
 
I ask for James because he is a TRUE Skeptic, this forum is His.
Damnit, woddy has realised the rest of us don't have hallmarks.
He has exposed psychic frauds in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
FSM willing.
Skeptics are tied to science, not pseudoscience and going on emotion. Every time I post I will ask this Question. "Can DMT Create Psychic Visions?"
And I'll look down and whisper "no."

Hurm.
Will someone please as James if he will do a study, this is all I ask.
Why don't you ask him?
I am not asking what people here think James thinks, I want to hear it from James himself.
Then go and ask him.
For he last time
We can but hope.
(perhaps) "Can DMT Create Psychic Visions?"
No.
I am going to bed shortly...to dream (trip) on Endogenous DMT, LEGALLY! So if you don't hear from me Good Night, oh yea we all trip on it when we sleep apparently, but we are not sure as NO STUDIES are being done on this.
And why do you think that is? Maybe for the same reason no one's investigating whether Gaymer's cider causes people to shoot laser beams from their anuses.
 
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I am going to bed shortly...to dream (trip) on Endogenous DMT, LEGALLY! So if you don't hear from me Good Night, oh yea we all trip on it when we sleep apparently, but we are not sure as NO STUDIES are being done on this.

We may all trip on endogenous DMT when dreaming, but no one here is professing prophetic dreams. You'd think that if DMT caused prophecy, we might have an inkling of it by now.
 
I am reading everyone's reply and I am being insulted for my spelling, I am being accused of being a druggie, and other things. Some people are saying Prove ESP is real first then we will do a study. Mainly I feel as though people just want to argue, I wouldn't even call it debate. Once again, and I can do this forever, I am very patient DOES DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS???]

Your lack of skill with written english and your lack of understanding of the scientific method calls into question your opening claim to have been a physicist. We see a lot of people making claims like yours here, and disjointed sentences, random punctuation and capitalisation, shoddy spelling and repeated demands that we just take your word for it are major indicators to us of people who are losing/have lost their grip on reality.

You have been offered many suggestions as to how you can build your credibility in our eyes. Go back over the thread and answer the questions which have been asked of you repeatedly. Calm, considered answers to our queries will do you no end of good.

Once again, without any proof of the reality of your premonitions, our answer to your question 'Does DMT create psychic visions' is always going to be a flat 'no.'

This is a sceptical forum. We are never going to take anyone at their word on anything.

An atheist isn't just any person that calls themselves an Atheist's, (like you can't call your self a rocket scientist unless your a real rocket scientist). A true Atheist's is an extremely intelligent person that says they have proof of the non-existence of God. Atheist's read books, I highly respect many Atheist's. Once again I am very patient DOES DMT CREATE PSYCHIC VISIONS??? Can James do a study???

An atheist is someone who does not believe in god, pure and simple. They do not have to be 'extremely intelligent;' my ex is an atheist and she is as thick as two short planks. Most atheists do not claim to have proof of the existence of god (proving a negative is very difficult indeed) but on the balance of evidence have come to the conclusion that is far more likely that god does not exist than that he does. Any atheist who says s/he 'knows' god does not exist is almost as deluded as the fundamentalist who says he 'knows' god exists. I have no doubt there are at least a few atheists who have never read a book in their lives.

If you want to be taken even slightly seriously here, stop making demands and start answering our questions.

Once again; We do not believe DMT causes psychic visions. You will not convince us by simply demanding we believe you.

Once again; Randi does not carry out studies. You will gain nothing by demanding his involvement other than further derision.
 
James WHERE ARE YOU!?!? Please stop this madness!!! People here can read YOUR MIND they know what your thinking!!! This world is coming to an end!!! Psychic Skeptics!!!

This is just one of the FIRST posts We as Skeptics will be asked in answering this question CAN DMT Create Psychic Visions? once the movie DMT The Spirit Molecule comes out. I guarantee it, this is the calm before the storm...

Woddy, why don't you just email Randi directly? You can get his email from the JREF homepage under Staff. That's no guarantee that he will answer, of course. But it's more likely than posting here. (I probably shouldn't tell him this, since he couldn't figure it out for himself. But, what the hey. . .)
 
James WHERE ARE YOU!?!? Please stop this madness!!! People here can read YOUR MIND they know what your thinking!!! This world is coming to an end!!! Psychic Skeptics!!!

This is just one of the FIRST posts We as Skeptics will be asked in answering this question CAN DMT Create Psychic Visions? once the movie DMT The Spirit Molecule comes out. I guarantee it, this is the calm before the storm...

Woddy, you need to understand that while these forums are attached to the JREF website Randi himself almost never comes here. He is an incredibly busy man and, if I am up to date, he is not even at home right now he is busy touring scandinavia giving talks and he does not have the time to sit in front of his computer, holding court like some virtual monarch over 'his' forums.

Your increasingly plaintive demands and refusal to answer pefectly reasonable questions further call into question your grip on reality.

No-one here claims to speak for Randi. In fact, if you look at the legalese that comes with the site you will see that 'the views expressed in the forums are not necessarily the views of the JREF.' Our assertions that Randi does not run studies come from reading further into the site than the one thread we want to post in. You have insisted we wade through your turgid, poorly written site and several of us have done so. Do us the courtesy of reading the JREF site in detail and you will understand why we say these things.
 
James WHERE ARE YOU!?!? Please stop this madness!!! People here can read YOUR MIND they know what your thinking!!! This world is coming to an end!!! Psychic Skeptics!!!

This is just one of the FIRST posts We as Skeptics will be asked in answering this question CAN DMT Create Psychic Visions? once the movie DMT The Spirit Molecule comes out. I guarantee it, this is the calm before the storm...

No. Just, no.

It's your responsibility to prove the validity of your claims, not ours. You do the study and show us evidence.
 
It must be tough being Randi with all these demands being put upon him. "Waah, do a magic trick!", "waah, be funny and charming", "waah, do a scientific study on illegal psychedelics and paranormal claims", "waah waah waah."
 
It must be tough being Randi with all these demands being put upon him. "Waah, do a magic trick!", "waah, be funny and charming", "waah, do a scientific study on illegal psychedelics and paranormal claims", "waah waah waah."
You forgot "Waah, provide free advertising for my movie!"
 
I've worked with ayahuasceros in the Amazon jungle and at no point did any of them ever claim to be able to see into the future. Where does this idea that DMT can make you psychic come from? Whacked out woo Westerners?

Specifically Graham Hancock.

The idea seems to be that Shamans had real visions of another world and the evidence is they left zig-zag patterns in rock carvings. Zig zag patterns are associated with DMT.
QED.

My view- Zig zag patterns and other similar patterns are what people see when you screw with neurochemistry or blood pressure (see Pixmisa's comments on his migraine patterns). Human brains are pretty similar everywhere and were pretty similar 70,000 years ago. Stuff them full of toot, and similar hallucinatory experiences are a predictable effect.

But psychic? Show me the evidence.
 
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Thanks wardenclyffe,

I am not a doctor so I couldn't honestly ascribe or prescribe a methodology on how to test this, but I do KNOW it can be tested.

James Randi is no more a doctor than you are. I'm not claiming I can read his mind, but he's no more qualified to set up a study like the one you want than you are.

Just like everyone on this forum I am assuming, I can only throw out guess's of how it may be tested but this is the best I can do, I don't want to waist time with guess's.

I would defiantly find a psychological research center willing to test this hypothesis "Does DMT create Psychic Visions" and go from there. Let the people currently doing research on ESP to perhaps add this to their arsenal of tests and study. Their the experts in prescribing medication and understand the risks of caution when not knowing a drugs potential.

I don't understand why anyone would be interested in performing such a study. Why would they study whether DMT causes psychic visions? Why not study whether chocolate milk causes psychic visions? I know of no reason to study either one. You do not claim that DMT causes visions, you are just wondering if it does. How is that different from me wondering if chocolate milk does? I know that sounds snarky, but I really don't know why any academic institution would look the two claims differently. Can you explain?


Thing is I can't find any current study's being done with DMT on the planet earth. Why is my question?

So if anyone knows of a transparent DMT Study in relation to psychic visions please let me know :)

I don't know of one. I know you think the army's done one, but I have no reason to believe that that's the case. I don't know why anyone would even be curious about such a thing. Why not chocolate milk?

Ward
 
I want to see the Evidence as well! "Can DMT Create psychic visions?", let's do the study and find out together :)

The answer to your question is "no".

And since the study you propose would involve the use of illegal narcotics, then I would say that such a test will never be done by JREF.
 
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Cool I did email James, and I could have sworn that I posted it here near the bottom of the forum's 3'rd page, I think it was removed? If I offended anyone with it I am very sorry. But it was written respectively and in good taste and kindness.

You didn't post it, unless it was another of your cut-and-paste SEO posts, and thus indistinguishable from your other posts. Post it again, and be sure to post any reply you receive.
 
You didn't post it, unless it was another of your cut-and-paste SEO posts, and thus indistinguishable from your other posts. Post it again, and be sure to post any reply you receive.

I'm pretty sure he didn't post it. Incoherent ramblings about complete nonsense usually make me laugh. And I haven't laughed yet...
 

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