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Holocaust denial and Truthers

Profanz said:
Why are Israel or Pro-Zionism people so concerned with promoting the official version of 9/11 and the supposed Islamic extremist threat?
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Because we don't want another 9/11.

Why are truthers so intent on hiding the threat?
 
Profanz said:
Started out good but just you needed to put the jabs in there at the end didn't you? Good for you.?
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Why would this surprise you? I make no secret of my contempt for 911 Truth.

If I wanted to be famous or get recognition this would be the last place I would come to. And I know a thing or two about that kind of thing. Talking about 9/11 ain't a popularity magnet. The fact is this place is really the only place that even talks about it anymore in any kind of relevant manner. And even that's only occasionally. That's it. Where should I go? Youtube
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I think the message here is that no one cares about 911 Truth. The questions and issues about what happened have been solved. You can either sit around with a bunch of clearly nutty people who are willing to make friends with Nazis, or you can forget about it.
 
Profanz said:
Okay, Okay. I get it. There is an overlap. But so what? That doesn't make the rest of us irrelevant. What the hell position on anything doesn't have an overlap of some crazies?
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Because unlike you, and RedIbis, I have found that very few in your movement, PARTICULARLY your leaders (or visible spokespeople if you will) have denounced/renounced/publicly abandoned that portion of the truth movement.

I have similar distaste for the Tea Party for the same reasons, but more related to their racist and gun fanatic segments.

TAM:)
 
Originally Posted by Profanz
Okay, Okay. I get it. There is an overlap. But so what? That doesn't make the rest of us irrelevant. What the hell position on anything doesn't have an overlap of some crazies?
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It raises questions about what kind of people could believe this nonsense. Look at it this way, there is no large group of construction professionals who believe anything other than terrorists, planes and fires. There are no firefighters or policemen or first responders. It even appears that almost all of the Scholars for 911 Truth were really Democrates who could care less about 911 Truth now that Obama's in the White House. There is no public support for 911 Truth because it's not true. There is no reason to believe in 911 Truth.

So who are the 911 Truthers that are left? Increasingly it's no-planer nut cases or Nazis and their friends.
911 Truthers Defend Holocaust Denier
 
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scott.in.taiwan said:
It raises questions about what kind of people could believe this nonsense. Look at it this way, there is no large group of construction professionals who believe anything other than terrorists, planes and fires. There are no firefighters or policemen or first responders. It even appears that almost all of the Scholars for 911 Truth were really Democrates who could care less about 911 Truth now that Obama's in the White House. There is no public support for 911 Truth because it's not true. There is no reason to believe in 911 Truth.

So who are the 911 Truthers that are left? Increasingly it's no-planer nut cases or Nazis and their friends.
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Oh come on now. There are very many people who don't buy into the official version. Experts from all fields. The only people debunkers can seem to come up with are government affiliated jack offs. If that is wrong then tell me how you have come to your beliefs and based on what. Right.
 
Profanz said:
Oh come on now. There are very many people who don't buy into the official version. Experts from all fields. The only people debunkers can seem to come up with are government affiliated jack offs. If that is wrong then tell me how you have come to your beliefs and based on what. Right.
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Sure, if that's what you want to believe. Experts from all fields...that's why it's a no-name mechanical engineer who represents 911 Truth on the JREF. And a no-name architect who gets cited in university newspapers as their major public spokesman. And every single one of the major names in 911 Truth has been fired from their university position. Experts from all fields, you say. Sure, whatever.

Better get used to hangin' with the neo-Nazis and their friends.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
And don't you just love the way he subtly hints that 9/11 conspiracy theories and holocaust denial are both intellectually respectable points of view, but that both groups reject each other's view for spurious reasons? He's holding out an olive branch to both movements, and trying to build links between you.
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Almost as if his claim that there's less overlap than we might expect is actually some sort of problem that needs to be rectified.
 
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Oh come on now. There are very many people who don't buy into the official version. Experts from all fields.
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There are "experts from all field" who think evolution is wrong, too.

The problem in both cases is those folks constitute 0.01% of the experts in the field -- just those who are mentally ill, or paranoid, or Biblical literalists (in the case of evolution denial), or antisemites and neo-nazis (in the case of 9/11 "truth" folks where it is all, of course, a conspiracy by the joooooooooooooz, or as the conspirators call them, "zionists".)

I must say, though, the 95% of neo-nazi antisemites in the 9/11 "it was all the jooooooooz's fault" movement certainly give the other 5% a bad name.
 
In talking about neo-Nazis and 911 Truth there is some danger of getting steered away from the real issue. I doubt that most Truthers are neo-Nazis, certainly none of the ones that I know outside of this forum are. It may be that most neo-Nazis are 911 Truthers but I wouldn't know anything about that. Prozac's problem concerns a genaral association between the two. He wonders why there seems to be this association, particularly in the mind's of members of the JREF.

But all of this is beside the point. Prozac continues in his delusion that it's 911Truth that's at the cutting edge of intellectual thought today. Oh ya...it's where all the radical intellectuals are gathering. It's where you find all the construction and firefighting professionals these days...oh ya. It's where all the brightest minds of our generation are at. And it's where you find all the neo-Nazi intellectals, as well. And it's where you find people who otherwise describe themselves as liberal and open willing to tolerate neo-Nazis. Not the Boy Scouts or the UNitarian Church, but 911 Truth, that's where the neo-Nazis know they have friends.

You want to know why there's an association between 911 Truth and neo-Nazis? It's because they're friends. It's just that simple. They hang out together in the intellectual world, and they have since the very beginning. Get a grip on it Prozac. Ya, ya...911 Truth...the brightest minds of our generation.
 
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Given the ammount of rabid Jew bashing in Truther circles, there is no surprise there is any overlap- the suprising thing to me is that it is not just confined to the far right- but can also be found on the far left...
 
Titanic Explorer said:
Given the ammount of rabid Jew bashing in Truther circles, there is no surprise there is any overlap- the suprising thing to me is that it is not just confined to the far right- but can also be found on the far left...
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Not surprising at all. The far left had long ago joined hands with the Islamists and other assorted Jew-haters in their ardent desire for the evil Jews to disappear already. Of course, at this level of extremism, it has long been known that the distinction between "right" and "left" are practically meaningless.
 
Titanic Explorer said:
Given the ammount of rabid Jew bashing in Truther circles, there is no surprise there is any overlap- the suprising thing to me is that it is not just confined to the far right- but can also be found on the far left...
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The real issue is not that there's so much "rabid Jew bashing". The issue is that what there is is tolerated. Truthing is increasingly marginalized in American society. You might see some teenaged kids showing up for these things or the odd college college student who mistake it for being 'anti-imperialist'. But these guys tend to disappear pretty quickly as they mature and start getting laid or even reading books. My experience with these gray zone members is that they don't like the idea of Nazis and the mentally ill any more than you or I do.

It's the guys who hang around that you see tolerating the "rabid Jew bashing". These hard-core Truthers are a different issue. My impression is that these Truthers are a desperate, almost pathetic lot. It is an islolated working-class and downwardly mobile educated crowd. And increasingly, they are making links with overseas Muslims. It's kind of this demented alliance between alienated status groups - working-class white kids and overseas Muslims. These groups are so alienated and scared that when neo-Nazi groups squeeze in to them, they don't do much about it even though they're just as disgusted by them as any of us. They just can't afford to do anything about it.

So despite Prozac's impression that 911 Truth is bursting at the seems with experts on this thing and experts on that thing, there is no sign of them anywhere. There's a handful of educated professionals who act as standard bearers for the movement, but have gained no respect outside the conspiracy theorist community. There are a lot of names on Internet petitions, but I suspect most of these were put there as statements against the Bush Administration and new ones as libertarian protests. I doubt any would show up at a public demonstration.

The Truth Movement is in some sense becoming a really dark place, and that's what I think members here are sensing. It's an unholy alliance between people who share nothing in common except alienation and fear. It's the so-called 'old hippies', some clinically mentally ill adults, some adults with sub-normal IQ scores, a pile of underemployed working-class kids and adults, and a growing number of overseas Muslims. All this is being led a group of fired university professors who ascribe to whacky conspiracy theories. And in all this mess, an increasingly vocal racist group is making themselves heard.

All the shootings and killings we've recently seen that are linked to 911 Truthers, I suspect, are only the beginning.
 
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T.A.M. said:
I have similar distaste for the Tea Party for the same reasons, but more related to their racist and gun fanatic segments.

TAM:)
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Why would a hat care about American politics?

All it does is keep a head warm in the winter, and the sun out of our eyes in the summer. Other than that, hats have no use.
 
Seymour Butz said:
Why would a hat care about American politics?

All it does is keep a head warm in the winter, and the sun out of our eyes in the summer. Other than that, hats have no use.
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Top of the morning sir!

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dafydd said:
Reading Little Grey Rabbi's posts reminds me of the story about the rooster who thought that the sun rose every morning just to hear him crow.
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I am just hoping the sun has risen that is all.

As for the rest, like Hillaire Belloc I hope only to say

When I am banned, I hope it may be said
His sins were scarlet, but his forum posts were read
 
All the shootings and killings we've recently seen that are linked to 911 Truthers, I suspect, are only the beginning.
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This is a new one on me, the only one I was aware of was James van Brunn balancing a flintlock on his zimmerframe at the USHMM.

What are the recent shooting rampages of Truthers?
 
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