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Holocaust denial and Truthers

I'll tell you why. Because many of those who believe 9/11 was an inside job believe Israel (the JOOS) were part of the plot, and hence we also see an overlap with those who believe the inside job, also believing the holocaust was faked/exaggerated etc... You may dislike the connection beoing brought up, because maybe you are a truther who does not believe the holocaust mumbojumbo, but the tie is there.

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
I'll tell you why. Because many of those who believe 9/11 was an inside job believe Israel (the JOOS) were part of the plot, and hence we also see an overlap with those who believe the inside job, also believing the holocaust was faked/exaggerated etc... You may dislike the connection beoing brought up, because maybe you are a truther who does not believe the holocaust mumbojumbo, but the tie is there.

TAM
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Bull. I don't hate JOOS. Nice spelling. It's a cop-out to claim most people who question 9/11 do it out of racist reasons. Some Republicans are Jew haters and even part of the Ku Klux Klan. Some Democrats really are communists. So what? Unless your agenda is just to stop the conversation.
 
lionking said:
True. Probably only most (like our bunny), not all, truthers are holocaust deniers.
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i dont think that is true. there may be alot of them, i even suspect most that deny the holocaust are also accusing Mossad of doing 9/11.

but i think its not correct to claim that most truthers are also holocaust deniers.
i have seen nothing that indicates this.
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
911 Truthers Defend Holocaust Denier
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Why are Israel or Pro-Zionism people so concerned with promoting the official version of 9/11 and the supposed Islamic extremist threat? Really? You really don't see how everyone else sees how obvious this is? I mean why were we lied into a war to begin with? Who exactly told those lies? It's friggin ridiculous around here. But some of you cower here and pretend like something like this forum is going to be enough to fend those facts off.

The worst thing that ever happened to Israel as far as America support goes was 9/11. In that sense the terrorist won. (Terrorists right?) And believe me. The more America looks at Israel the less the American people will support it. What happened yesterday? Hmmm...

But don't get me wrong. I know it's complicated. But I don't care about terrorists. I don't care about Islam and quite frankly I don't care about Zionism. I'm an American with a job and a family and my own problems. But if it's between Islam and Zionism and their and bickering, and this causes Americans to be jumping out of skyscrapers? I would have to say none of the former of them are worth it as far as America goes. What do either of them do for America anyway?

Anyway. Stop bringing up the Holocaust. 9/11 has nothing to do with the Holocaust.
 
9/11 has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust. Anyone on any side of the issue would be better off not trying to incorporate it into the conversation at all. Unless of course they have nothing else.
 
9/11 conspiracy theories have a lot do to with holocaust denial. If you're going to go through all that trouble with TOR just to post here, at least read the title of the thread.
 
Profanz said:
9/11 has absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust. Anyone on any side of the issue would be better off not trying to incorporate it into the conversation at all. Unless of course they have nothing else.
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Belief in 911 truth is like Holocaust denial, based on ignorance.

Some people group all their paranoid conspiracy theories into a big tent of woo.
Profanz said:
... Everything is the same deal over and over again. This present oil spill included. 9/11 included. ...
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Bye bye...
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I can't really be bothered anymore, ...
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They share the same propensity to believe idiotic lies.
 
That is basically what the the 9/11 deniers have been reduced to, Holocaust deniers and no-planers.
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
There may be Nazis who are also Truthers. And non-Nazi Truthers are generally so isolated they will tolerate anyone who will help them, most non-Nazi Truthers agree with the rest of us, that Nazi Truthers are piles of excrement on the side of the road.
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But they are willing to porpogate lies started by Nazis, like Bollyn's crap about pools of molten metal reported by demolition contractors or his BS about the engine parts found at the Pentagon.

Personally, I don't know why they show up here and show how uninformed they are. It's almost as if they they're trying to make people hate them.
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They need a bunch of morons angry at the government because they will not, otherwise, have enough people fighting the government when they start the RaHoWa.
 
Profanz said:
Bull. I don't hate JOOS. Nice spelling. It's a cop-out to claim most people who question 9/11 do it out of racist reasons. Some Republicans are Jew haters and even part of the Ku Klux Klan. Some Democrats really are communists. So what? Unless your agenda is just to stop the conversation.
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Ok, since you are making strawmen of my arguments, let me restate them for you.

... Because many of those who believe 9/11 was an inside job believe Israel (the JOOS) were part of the plot, and hence we also see an overlap with those who believe the inside job, also believing the holocaust was faked/exaggerated etc... You may dislike the connection beoing brought up, because maybe you are a truther who does not believe the holocaust mumbojumbo, but the tie is there....

SO to recap, and address your strawmen...

1. I didn't say YOU hate jews.
2. The spelling was to mock those who come in here blaming the JOOS.
3. I didn't say MOST.
4. I said there was an OVERLAP between the two camps. You know, 90% of each are solely in their own camps, but about 10% of each are in both. Maybe a bit more.
5. My desire is not to stop the convo, although as of late few if any conversations on 9/11 are worth continuing, but rather to point out that whether you like it or not, there is a distinct portion of your truth movement that are also holocaust deniers. SO either learn to live with it, or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Ok, since you are making strawmen of my arguments, let me restate them for you.

... Because many of those who believe 9/11 was an inside job believe Israel (the JOOS) were part of the plot, and hence we also see an overlap with those who believe the inside job, also believing the holocaust was faked/exaggerated etc... You may dislike the connection beoing brought up, because maybe you are a truther who does not believe the holocaust mumbojumbo, but the tie is there....

SO to recap, and address your strawmen...

1. I didn't say YOU hate jews.
2. The spelling was to mock those who come in here blaming the JOOS.
3. I didn't say MOST.
4. I said there was an OVERLAP between the two camps. You know, 90% of each are solely in their own camps, but about 10% of each are in both. Maybe a bit more.
5. My desire is not to stop the convo, although as of late few if any conversations on 9/11 are worth continuing, but rather to point out that whether you like it or not, there is a distinct portion of your truth movement that are also holocaust deniers. SO either learn to live with it, or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

TAM:)
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Okay, Okay. I get it. There is an overlap. But so what? That doesn't make the rest of us irrelevant. What the hell position on anything doesn't have an overlap of some crazies?
 
Profanz said:
Okay, Okay. I get it. There is an overlap. But so what? That doesn't make the rest of us irrelevant. What the hell position on anything doesn't have an overlap of some crazies?
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Unfortunately, the rest of you are crazies too. Just a different smell.
 
leftysergeant said:
But they are willing to porpogate lies started by Nazis, like Bollyn's crap about pools of molten metal reported by demolition contractors or his BS about the engine parts found at the Pentagon.

They need a bunch of morons angry at the government because they will not, otherwise, have enough people fighting the government when they start the RaHoWa.
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I agree there's a similar psychology involved in both of them, for at least some. There are Truthers who genuinely seem to believe their crap. Some come across as if they have low IQ. Some appear to be mentally disturbed. Others, though, really do appear aware their position can't hold up to proper criticism but are willing to accept it for political reasons.

After meeting so many Truthers, it's clear that Truthing clusters with other conspiracy beliefs. Most of them these days are right-wing nuts of some sort. My impression is that a lot are constitution/Ron Paul-kind-of-nits rather than Nazis.
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
I agree there's a similar psychology involved in both of them, for at least some. There are Truthers who genuinely seem to believe their crap. Some come across as if they have low IQ. Some appear to be mentally disturbed. Others, though, really do appear aware their position can't hold up to proper criticism but are willing to accept it for political reasons.

After meeting so many Truthers, it's clear that Truthing clusters with other conspiracy beliefs. Most of them these days are right-wing nuts of some sort. My impression is that a lot are constitution/Ron Paul-kind-of-nits rather than Nazis.
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Fine.

What particular topic about 9/11 would you like to discuss? Or don't you? All of you make me laugh.
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
We went through before in a discussion of the history of the Truth Movement. The conclusion I was willing to accept is that some Truthers are Nazis and some are not. Dicki G and his crew don't appear to Nazis and there's nothing about Judy Wood that would make her appear this was, either. I am a member of We Are Change which remains the only visible sign of the Truth Movement outside the Internet. They have a constitution that forbids racism, although WAC Chicago is disproportionately Muslim.

There may be Nazis who are also Truthers. And non-Nazi Truthers are generally so isolated they will tolerate anyone who will help them, most non-Nazi Truthers agree with the rest of us, that Nazi Truthers are piles of excrement on the side of the road.

Personally, I don't know why they show up here and show how uninformed they are. It's almost as if they they're trying to make people hate them.
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Given we have already established you have very little idea about Nazi Germany, Nazi elites or Nazi ideology, its difficult to take your opinion seriously.

The National Socialist Workers Party was established in the early 1920s partly as a nationalist response to German defeat and partly as an attempt to establish a broad based populist movement that would undercut the appeal of communists and socialist ideologies.

It was primarily interesting in revising the Versailles settlement, German nationalism and uniting all Germans under one country, and fighting what they saw as the subversive influence of Jews that were using Bolshevism as their vehicle (I stress this is their world view I am describing). They also had strong views about race and racial purity.

The points of intersection with the vast majority of truthers is very slight to non-existent, few if any of whom have heard of the Danzig corridor or have strong views of the rights of self-determination of the Sudeten Germans.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Given we have already established you have very little idea about Nazi Germany, Nazi elites or Nazi ideology, its difficult to take your opinion seriously.
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My grandfather told me plenty about Nazi germany. How about yours? Have you been to Germany?
 
funk de fino said:
My grandfather told me plenty about Nazi germany. How about yours? Have you been to Germany?
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I have spent some time there.

I had a relative who was torpedoed and drowned during the war. I feel sorry he should have lost his life feeding such a worthless, dishonest and hypocritical island.

But we were all empire back then, so he probably didn't see you guys as foreigners. Perhaps if he had forward vision and saw how you brought about the Iraq invasion he might have had more sense and stayed home.
 
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